Network card not detected or listed in installation

[ThinKer]

Ok.. I have the disks partitioned and mounted. I am ready to install
the base system, but when I installed the kernel and driver modules, my
network card was not detected. I then went to configure device driver
modules and selected 'net' for Drivers for network interface cards, and
my card is not listed.

When I choose 'dummy' as a generic substitute I get a 'installation
successful' message, but I still am not served an ip from my dhcp
server.

When I try to manually enter the IP address, domain, gateway, and dns,
the machine can't find
[url]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/[/url]
which is where the install files are supposed to be.

Someone please tell me what I am doing wrong (this time).

Network Card
Netgear Fa311 10/100 NIC (PCI)


Thanks,

Thinker


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[Michael Waters]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2003, ThinKer wrote:

> Ok.. I have the disks partitioned and mounted. I am ready to install
> the base system, but when I installed the kernel and driver modules, my
> network card was not detected. I then went to configure device driver
> modules and selected 'net' for Drivers for network interface cards, and
> my card is not listed.
>
> When I choose 'dummy' as a generic substitute I get a 'installation
> successful' message, but I still am not served an ip from my dhcp
> server.
>
> When I try to manually enter the IP address, domain, gateway, and dns,
> the machine can't find
> [url]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/[/url]
> which is where the install files are supposed to be.
>
> Someone please tell me what I am doing wrong (this time).
>
> Network Card
> Netgear Fa311 10/100 NIC (PCI)

I haven't used this NIC but it appears to use the module "natsemi".
I'd try to load that and see if it talks to your card... and then set
up the network as you tried above.

Michael


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[ThinKer]

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 03:32, Michael Waters wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003, ThinKer wrote:

<SNIP>

> > Network Card
> > Netgear Fa311 10/100 NIC (PCI)

>
> I haven't used this NIC but it appears to use the module "natsemi".
> I'd try to load that and see if it talks to your card... and then set
> up the network as you tried above.
>
> Michael

Michael,

Thanks! As soon as I loaded the module closest to what you recommended
"natsemi-scyld" the installation said it was successful and the
Automatic Network Configuration menu came up asking me if I wanted to
use DHCP or BOOTP to automatically configure the interface. I chose yes,
but the configuration failed for some reason, so I had to configure the
network manually.

Now, after the manual configuration was complete, I attempted to install
the base system again. According to the instructions at ...
[url]http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst[/url]

I should place the following URL in the Download URL space ...
[url]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/[/url]

However, when I do this I get the message "Release Check Failed: The
server was unavailable or contained no Release file."


Questions:

1. Is this the correct ftp location, and if not, what is?

2. Since the DHCP didn't take and I am not sure if my manual
configuration worked, how can I check to see if I am actually able to
get out on this machine?


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[Kent West]

ThinKer wrote:

>On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 03:32, Michael Waters wrote:
>
>

>>>Network Card
>>>Netgear Fa311 10/100 NIC (PCI)
>>>
>>>

>
>Thanks! As soon as I loaded the module closest to what you recommended
>"natsemi-scyld" the installation said it was successful and the
>Automatic Network Configuration menu came up asking me if I wanted to
>use DHCP or BOOTP to automatically configure the interface. I chose yes,
>but the configuration failed for some reason, so I had to configure the
>network manually.
>
>Now, after the manual configuration was complete, I attempted to install
>the base system again. According to the instructions at ...
>[url]http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst[/url]
>
>I should place the following URL in the Download URL space ...
>[url]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/[/url]
>
>However, when I do this I get the message "Release Check Failed: The
>server was unavailable or contained no Release file."
>
>
>Questions:
>
>1. Is this the correct ftp location, and if not, what is?
>
>

It doesn't quite look right to me, but then I've never been able to
figure out the syntax for sources.list. I just copy them from
pre-existing machines. Here's the Stable lines from my
"/etc/apt/sources.list":
# Stable
deb [url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/[/url] stable main non-free contrib
deb [url]http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US[/url] stable/non-US main contrib
non-free
deb [url]http://security.debian.org/[/url] stable/updates main contrib non-free

>2. Since the DHCP didn't take and I am not sure if my manual
>configuration worked, how can I check to see if I am actually able to
>get out on this machine?
>

Quickest, easiest test is probably just a simple "ping" command.

Something like "ping www.wired.com" or "ping someserver.somewhere.org".
You'll want to be ready to hit Ctrl-C after you get a couple of "64
bytes from ...." type responses, or it'll just keep going continuously.
If you get something like "unknown host" or it just hangs for a long
while, you've got problems (or the remote site is not responding
properly, probably for "security reasons", in which case you'll want to
try a different address). You can also ping by address. If you get a
proper response by address ("ping xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa"), but not by name,
your problem is probably in "/etc/resolv.conf".

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[ThinKer]

I typed 'ping [url]www.wired.com[/url]' and got .."ping: [url]www.wired.com:[/url] Host name
lookup failure"

Now my question is, is it possible that the "natsemi-scyld' module that
I loaded was a close match to the suggested 'natsemi', but not exactly
right, considering that DCHP didn't work? I have checked the DHCP server
several times and there are no worries there. I have 2 addresses
available to be served.

I am now at a shell, what should I try next? I also have another Network
card if I need to switch (a CNet PowerNIC C200/600/650Eplus PnP ISA card
from an even older machine). It seems that the NetGear FA311 10/100 PCI
should be more supported.

Thanks for everyones help. If not for you all, I would still be
partitioning hard drives !!!


Thinker


On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 14:20, Kent West wrote:

> ThinKer wrote:

> >>>Network Card
> >>>Netgear Fa311 10/100 NIC (PCI)

> >

>

> >2. Since the DHCP didn't take and I am not sure if my manual
> >configuration worked, how can I check to see if I am actually able to
> >get out on this machine?
> >

>
> Quickest, easiest test is probably just a simple "ping" command.
>
> Something like "ping www.wired.com" or "ping someserver.somewhere.org".
> You'll want to be ready to hit Ctrl-C after you get a couple of "64
> bytes from ...." type responses, or it'll just keep going continuously.
> If you get something like "unknown host" or it just hangs for a long
> while, you've got problems (or the remote site is not responding
> properly, probably for "security reasons", in which case you'll want to
> try a different address). You can also ping by address. If you get a
> proper response by address ("ping xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa"), but not by name,
> your problem is probably in "/etc/resolv.conf".

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[Kent West]

ThinKer wrote:

>I typed 'ping [url]www.wired.com[/url]' and got .."ping: [url]www.wired.com:[/url] Host name
>lookup failure"
>
>

Try pinging by address instead of by name. Your DHCP server would be a
good box to hit.

>Now my question is, is it possible that the "natsemi-scyld' module that
>I loaded was a close match to the suggested 'natsemi', but not exactly
>right, considering that DCHP didn't work?
>

Very possible, and most likely.

> I have checked the DHCP server
>several times and there are no worries there. I have 2 addresses
>available to be served.
>
>I am now at a shell, what should I try next? I also have another Network
>card if I need to switch (a CNet PowerNIC C200/600/650Eplus PnP ISA card
>from an even older machine). It seems that the NetGear FA311 10/100 PCI
>should be more supported.
>

I'm thinking that may needs the tulip driver. I'm using a Netgear
FA310TX (under the brand name Lite-On LNE100TX) which uses tulip. Of
course, the FA311 may very well need the natsemi driver.


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[Kent West]

ThinKer wrote:

>1. pinged the dhcp server by typing '192.168.1.1' and got ...
>'98 packets transmitted, 0 packets recieved, 100% packet loss'
>
>2. I tried the 'tulip' module and the installation failed. I am
>wondering if there is a way to get the real 'natsemi' module as
>suggested by Michael Waters onto a floppy and installed in this
>installation configuration so that I can select it in the 'net' (Network
>Interface Card drivers and network protocol) section.
>
>

What kernel are you running? If it's 2.2, you might need to upgrade to 2.4.


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[Kent West]

ThinKer wrote:

>>What kernel are you running? If it's 2.2, you might need to upgrade to 2.4.
>>
>>

>
>When the rescue disk boots, it says "This disk uses the Linux kernel
>2.2.20.
>
>These disks came from ...
>[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/[/url]
>
>Should I download from
>[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/[/url]
>
>instead?
>
>

I'd give it a shot, see what happens.

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[ThinKer]

I downloaded new boot disks from
[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/[/url]

and this kernel 2.4.?bf4 actually had the natsemi driver listed...

but I am getting the same errors.

A message saying the installation was a success.
An offer to configure the card via DHCP, with no success.
Manually configuring the card, I am not able to ping my DHCP server
(but, I know the card is trying because I can see the light flashing on
the router).

Suggestions?


On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 21:03, Kent West wrote:

> ThinKer wrote:
>

> >>What kernel are you running? If it's 2.2, you might need to upgrade to 2.4.
> >>
> >>

> >
> >When the rescue disk boots, it says "This disk uses the Linux kernel
> >2.2.20.
> >
> >These disks came from ...
> >[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/[/url]
> >
> >Should I download from
> >[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/[/url]
> >
> >instead?
> >
> >

> I'd give it a shot, see what happens.
>
> --
> Kent West (westk@acu.edu)
>
>
>

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[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:49, ThinKer wrote:

> I downloaded new boot disks from
> [url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/[/url]
>
> and this kernel 2.4.?bf4 actually had the natsemi driver listed...
>

Hey, why not try a new method:

[url]http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall[/url]

Use knoppix to boot from and establish net connectivity and then chroot
install from there!

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swallowing a water buffalo.


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[ThinKer]

Thanks for the suggestion, but this machine has no CD ROM so I can't use
knoppix.

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:54, Greg Folkert wrote:

>
> Hey, why not try a new method:
>
> [url]http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall[/url]
>
> Use knoppix to boot from and establish net connectivity and then chroot
> install from there!
>
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> REMEMBER ED CURRY! [url]http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry[/url]
>
> Your dainty nostrils flare with the humblest grandiosity of an ant
> swallowing a water buffalo.
>

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[ThinKer]

Just for fun (and because I am frustrated and looking for other options
at this point), I downloaded and installed the Mandrake 9.1 network.img
boot disk and booted my machine with it.

It laoded the driver for the network device: National Semi:DP8310 10/100
Ethernet. Asked me if I wanted to configure via dhcp, asked for a
hostname, and brought up the network.

alt+f4 shows
'natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sept, 2002
originally by Donald Becker
[url]http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html[/url]
2.4.x kernel port by Jeff Garzink, Tjeerd Mulder
eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56]
eth0: link up'.

My Router/DHCP server sees the machine and the machine got the correct
values from DHCP. (I just dont have enough RAM for the Mandrake 9.1
install so I am still looking at Debian)

Is this information helpful?

Thinker?




On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 21:03, Kent West wrote:

> ThinKer wrote:
>

> >>What kernel are you running? If it's 2.2, you might need to upgrade to 2.4.
> >>
> >>

> >
> >When the rescue disk boots, it says "This disk uses the Linux kernel
> >2.2.20.
> >
> >These disks came from ...
> >[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/[/url]
> >
> >Should I download from
> >[url]http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/[/url]
> >
> >instead?
> >
> >

> I'd give it a shot, see what happens.
>
> --
> Kent West (westk@acu.edu)
>
>
>

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[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 14:41, ThinKer wrote:

> Just for fun (and because I am frustrated and looking for other
> options at this point), I downloaded and installed the Mandrake 9.1
> network.img boot disk and booted my machine with it.

[...]

FWIW, I have a parallel problem (in another thread here), trying to
install the bf2.4 version on a thinkpad with a realtek pcmcia network
card. The driver for that is absent from the bf2.4 version, but I
wanted 2.4 for the ext3 fs. My machine also installs correctly from
Mandrake 9.1 - also from knoppix (actually morphix). It is truly
frustrating not being able to connect to the internet to fetch the
parts necessary to connect to the internet...

Commiserations,

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