no separate airbrush tool in photoshop CS. WHY!

[Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com]

Ann I think that is ridiculous to tell you the truth this is way to cumbersome and unwieldy We need to be able to drag the brushes we want to some kind of palette and we need to be able to jump back and forth from the type of brush.

Maybe a librarian would find this structure intuitive but that's about it.

I have to agree with progress on this and I don't like the new browser either.

Way to much stuff to make a simply thing happen and way to big a cache file to deal with.

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

Make the brushes in the Brush palette, and re-arrange them in the Presets palette, then cycle between the brushes using the shortcuts.

I must say that I find it perfectly simple, fast and efficient. I am sorry that you don't -- but few others seem to have a problem with it.

[Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com]

I need several groups of brushes and I don't see why one has to go through this process to create a group of brushes and why we can't have more than one collection of brushes and why do I have to delete brushes. Why can't I just create a new empty palette and drag and drop from one to the other.

Why such a restricted method and why not have on the fly transfer of functions.

This is not a well thought out method and the reason so many have adapted is what choice were they left with.

[Pierre_Courtejoie@adobeforums.com]

What I hate is the fact that we HAVE to go to the Preset manager to do simple operations... why doens't all the preset windows allow the user to move a given preset to the top?

If the aim is to remove cluttering to the preset drop-down lists and menus, just add a checkbox to go to an "advanced mode (I.e. what is currently called Preset manager)" that would allow us to make changes that are organically tied to our workflow.

Once activated, each time we call a drop-down list of presets, we would have the preset manager window...

[Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com]

I agree Pierre it is too cumbersome.

[progress@adobeforums.com]

im glad my partner isnt the only one...he's working the preset way now...theres a constant muttering and grumble from the corner when he uses the brush tools...hes an artist primarily, the computer is a tool, he finds it harder to use now, it affects his creativity by placing hurdles to jump through that weren't there previously, which proves that PS was capable of doing it at some point.

also agree, with him, and others that something has changed in adobe's perception of how its UI should fit with its users, and i personally think its due to PS's dominance in the market. Theres no incentive for adobe to spend time on making workflows faster, easier, better because there is no alternative. Its a long way off being as bad as quark, so theres no real hope of an ID style shake up, but there are constant UI problems now which really should be fixed or changed to be consistant or more fluid. It shows up more in PS because adobe used to be the masters at inutitive UI, im afraid that position has been eroded. One only has to jump into a new adobe app and see how things are slipping in comparison.

know i winge on and on about UI, but its really my no.1 FR for it to get sorted fixed and better....i just hope someone on adobes dev team and testing who has some clout is listening and agrees.

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

no,

because one guy from Berkeley said it should be so.

What we really need is a feature to give a live scaling of the brush size via a key command with mouse drag option.

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

Brilliant idea.

A "live scaling of the brush size via a key command with mouse drag option" would be invaluable and far quicker than tapping the square-bracket keys.

Do add it to Feature Requests.

[Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com]

Now Ann! None of that!

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

It IS a brilliant idea -- and I would use it if it is implemented in v.9.

It would need a control key in the mix (Cmd. Sq.Bracket Drag?) and would be great for those of us who use a Wacom.

[Chris_Cox@adobeforums.com]

Pierre - we can't do preset manager tasks in the lists for several reasons.

First - clicking something in the list selects it. That's a bad thing when you're trying to drag them around. And selecting multiple items makes no sense. Also, for most of the lists, having a "current" selection makes no sense (even if we try to fake it for a few lists).

Second - some of the preset manager tasks really need a modal state, and the lists are not a modal state.

Third - we've already run out of modifier keys in the list views.

[Chris_Cox@adobeforums.com]

And I don't know what program or forums some of you are looking at -- we (the Photoshop team) are spending an enormous amount of time on improving workflows.

The problem is that we have thousands of different workflows to consider -- yours may or may not be the most common or the most impacted.

And most of the people using the painting tools loved the changes in 7 and CS. Yes, it is different and takes a little time to get used to -- but they found that after a few weeks they didn't want to go back.

[progress@adobeforums.com]

"And most of the people using the painting tools loved the changes in 7 and CS. Yes, it is different and takes a little time to get used to -- but they found that after a few weeks they didn't want to go back"

who was surveyed?

[Pierre_Courtejoie@adobeforums.com]

Thanks for the explantion, Chris...

While we're talking Presets lists... why are the presets (or actions steps)ranges selected with the opposite shortcut as on the Operating System (at least on windows, Shift is used to select a range of Items, CTRL to select separate items, while in photoshop, the opposite convention is used); is it to reflect how it works on a Mac ?(I'm not sure that it would be the case)

[Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com]

Even if you actually had a survey with a showing in favor of the current method I am certain this will change.

I think Chris you will find that perhaps some of the people who are making some of these suggestions are not quite together with their thoughts concerning workflow.

FWIW I see that this is not a workflow issue but a technique and should not be confused with a work flow issue which I think it has been.

In this case and a few other cases in PS CS it appears that those making demands for features have perhaps run out of ideas and are the type of people hat believe they have to give input to make themselves important, even if they foul things up. As they did in this case.

This is not well thought out it is from the very start over done, it tries to give you everything at once rather than offering you a chance to set things up the way you want to. Undoing what was done by someone else that thought they knew what everyone wants is not so easy to even want to deal with.

At least give the user the chance to configure the tools and brushes and menus etc. at the initial start up of Photoshop to suit their needs and a safe place to save theses settings other than the preference folder in case they have to dump the preferences.

You say you have so many work flows to consider then why try to second guess everyone and certainly why try to dictate what a good workflow or technique or use of
the tools should be?

Progress is correct even if it means you made a mistake. After all it wouldn't be the first time you made a mistake.

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

I still don't understand why people have a problem with Photoshop's brushes.

Why is it so difficult to make a Brush-set which contains ONLY the brushes that you want and save them with a distinctive name in your Presets folder?

You can make any number of special sets and simply Replace (or Append) the pre-loaded set at any time.

Photoshop launches with the same items in the Brush Palette that were there when you last quit out of it.

If you Save your Brush sets, just like you would with Actions, Styles, Gradients or any other Preset. you can always re-load them if you have to trash your prefs.

And learn the shortcuts for changing mode, opacity, sizing and cycling through your Presets -- not forgetting Option Shift P for changing between the airbrush and regular brush.

[Ed_Hannigan@adobeforums.com]

I'm with Ann on this (as my earlier posts will attest). At least give it a try. It's gonna be a long wait for something different I would wager.

[nsnape@adobeforums.com]

Please remember that Photoshop is in more languages that use quite different keyboards , often rendering the cited shortcuts very difficult to do in their respective localised versions.

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

You could always change your shortcuts in the Keyboard Shortcuts palette if you need to.

:~)

[nsnape@adobeforums.com]

Yes that is what is a one of the well appreciated improvements.
When working between many applications at the same time though it can lead to some forgetful manipulations.