NOMINATION: Adobe makes the MOST USER-UN-FRIENDLY software availabletoday! VERY detailed explanation!!

[Waldo]

[email]Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com[/email] wrote:

> NOMINATION: Adobe makes the MOST USER-UN-FRIENDLY software available
> today! VERY detailed explanation!!
>
> Here is what I want to do: take a 7 graphics, and make one PDF, with
> one graphic per page, each page Letter-sized, so my colleagues can view
> them on screen, or print them out onto standard Letter-sized paper if
> they need to. The graphic only takes part of each Letter-sized page, so
> I can put a little caption below the graphic.
>
> WHAT A FREAKIN' NIGHTMARE!
>
> Try #1:
> Open Adobe Acrobat Professional 6.0. Create a blank PDF file with a
> Letter sized page and add a graphic to the page. HA HAA HAAA... THAT'S
> FUNNY! No such option to create a blank PDF. You have to create from
> Scanner or from File or from another PDF. Why can't I create a blank
> PDF with 7 Letter-sized pages, and place the images on the pages
> however I want? NO!
>
> Try #2:
> OK since I already have all the images on my hard drive anyway, I just
> want to place the first one onto a Letter-sized Acrobat page.
> Apparently there is NO WAY to do this. I tried this: Fire up Adobe
> Acrobat 6 Professional. Go to File -> Create PDF -> From File.
>
> First, try to place an ADOBE Photoshop file and you get a ridiculous
> message about "Acrobat could not open 'YourImage.PSD' because it is
> either not a supported file type or because the file has been
> corrupted..." Did I mention it is an ADOBE Photoshop file? I can open
> it in PS just fine. I tried with numerous PS files. NO!
>
> Fine. Open it up in PS and save as a JPG. Now do the File -> Create PDF
> -> From File. You get some random-sized page, something to do with the
> properties of the image file. Not really sure what image size, pixel
> dimensions, resolution, etc. Acrobat chooses to use to determine the
> page size it then creates. Total mystery, but not Letter-sized... so
> totally useless!
>
> OK fine. So I tried resizing the image so it was exactly 8.5x11 inches
> at 72 dpi. Yes that works to create a Letter-sized page. But that is
> NOT what I want at all! I want to resize the image so it only takes up
> a PART of the page, and put some caption text below it. And who says I
> want 72 dpi? Just resizing at 72 dpi, the image takes up every pixel of
> the Letter-sized page... not what I want at all!
>
> Another problem with this: with an image that is way smaller than
> Letter-sized, you ONLY get an entire page that is the size of that
> image, NOT Letter-sized.
>
>
> Try #3:
> OK fine. Since what I am describing above is something you can easily
> do in Illustrator, lets try that. Fire up Illustrator 10. First of all,
> I didn't know exactly how many pages I was going to need. So I just
> went to Document Setup and I changed it from the default of one
> Letter-sized page: Width 612 pt, Height 792 pt -- to Width 6120 pt,
> Height 792 pt -- which gives a nice 10 Letter-sized pages across --
> page one on the left, and then side-by-side with page 10 all the way on
> the right. Skipping ahead, when I finished laying stuff out, I saw I
> only needed 7 pages. So I resized the document down to only 7 pages
> across (4284 pt) and don't you know it -- Illustrator did NOT just lop
> off the 3 pages from the right, instead it chose to pull the pages in
> from the center of the artboard, making all my layout completely out of
> alignment with the new 7 pages! Ridiculous!!!
>
> Try #4:
> In Illustrator 10, with my work now all nicely lined up on my 7 page
> wide artboard, with each individual page labeled nicely with 1, 2, 3 up
> to 7 -- I can now simply create a PDF. Now this MUST be super-simple!!!
> Using ADOBE Illustrator to create an ADOBE Acrobat document. Don't they
> even use the same internal language and format and everything?!?! So I
> did a Save As... chose the type as Adobe PDF, chose a couple of options
> like Acrobat 5 compatibility, Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities
> -- stuff that shouldn't really matter. And voila! In just a second I
> get one RETARDED PDF file that is one single page, 7-Letter-sized-pages
> wide. WHAT THE HELL!!! Dammit this is the DUMBEST thing I have ever
> seen! ADOBE Illustrator has 7 pages. If you print it out to your
> printer, you get 7 Letter-sized pages. But save as an ADOBE Acrobat
> file, you get one 7-page-wide file. MY GOD!!!!!!!
>
> Try #5:
> Take the damn Illustrator document and PRINT to a PDF. Should NOT have
> to do this, but what the hell, lets give it a try. GEEEZUS! The damn
> thing prints a new file FOR EACH PAGE!! Come on! Therefore obviously
> Adobe Acrobat can recognize that there are multiple pages in this
> Illustrator document, but you can NOT save as one multi-page PDF, and
> you can not print to one multi-page PDF.
>
> Is Adobe TRYING to make their software as user-UN-friendly as
> possible??
>
> ONE MORE HUGE Adobe ANTI-User-Friendly "Feature" -- In Illustrator 10,
> in a text box, put your insertion point near the end of the text, and
> press your Forward Delete key to delete the last few letters of the
> text. Press the Forward Delete key again, and you will start to delete
> text BEHIND the insertion point!! ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR IS THE ONLY
> SOFTWARE EVER INVENTED IN HISTORY THAT BEHAVES THIS WAY!!! Adobe
> Photoshop CS does NOT. Adobe ImageReady CS does NOT. Adobe Acrobat
> Professional 6 does NOT. Adobe Photoshop Album 2.0 does NOT. No
> Microsoft product ever behaves this way. No Apple Computer software
> every behaves this way. I am unaware of ANY software EVER that behaves
> this way! Why Adobe, why why why why why why do you make Illustrator
> edit text differently than any other program anyone has ever written in
> all of human history, including your own?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
> Why?
>

Why didn't you try InDesign? I never create PDFs in Acrobat Pro and I
definately never create multipage docs in Illy...

Waldo

[Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com]

Wow you're right! I already spent a couple thousand on Adobe software,
why don't I just spend $700 more on yet another program... silly me!
And why try creating multi-page docs in Illustrator, just because it
DOES have that capablility... silly me again!

[Aandi Inston]

[email]Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com[/email] wrote:

>Wow you're right! I already spent a couple thousand on Adobe software,
>why don't I just spend $700 more on yet another program... silly me!

If you won't buy the Adobe software for page make-up, don't be too
surprised you find page make-up difficult.

So, why not use Word?
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[Waldo]

[email]Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com[/email] wrote:

> Wow you're right! I already spent a couple thousand on Adobe software,
> why don't I just spend $700 more on yet another program... silly me!
> And why try creating multi-page docs in Illustrator, just because it
> DOES have that capablility... silly me again!
>

Then you spend way too much (that is definately silly...). The Creative
Suite starts at US$899.00 (US$1,199.00 for Premium edition).

Illy CS doesn't have multipage doc creation capabilities, you can only
edit a single page from a multipage PDF at the time. Creation does not work.

Actually, you don't need to buy Adobe software if you think they suck.
Use powerpoint or word if you think it works better.

Waldo

[Waldo]

[email]Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com[/email] wrote:

> Illustrator: Vector graphic design and page layout.

Not correct, as the name already suggests: meant for ILLUSTRATIONS!

> Acrobat Pro: make portable documents.
>
> Illustrator: has the ability to make multi-page layouts, but sucks so
> bad at it, you think it doesn't have this capability, but it does.

You don't understand Illy: the function you meant is already explained
by Aandi. It is used for multipage art/poster and not for a multipage
document.

> Acrobat Pro: has a really hard time making PDFs from other Adobe
> products. Ridiculous!!
>

Because the other Adobe Products themselfs can create PDF extremely good....

Waldo

[Waldo]

magmike <mike.kline wrote:

> <Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134572584.069583.20660@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>

>>>>an illustration package not
>>>>designed to work with documents
>>>>of more than one page

>>
>>Please fire up Illustrator. Go to File -> Document Setup -> Artboard.
>>Here you can set up multiple pages.

>
>
> There is not an option on mine to make multiple pages. What version of Illy
> did you say you were using?
>
>

If you make artwork bigger than your selected paper size in the printer
driver, you can divide it into several pages. If you go to Help, then
choose the Index and then 'p' and select 'pages' --> 'adding [1]' there
is something explained (Dividing the artboard into multiple page tiles).

Waldo

[Dick Margulis]

Waldo wrote:

> magmike <mike.kline wrote:
>

>> <Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1134572584.069583.20660@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>>

>>>>> an illustration package not
>>>>> designed to work with documents
>>>>> of more than one page
>>>
>>>
>>> Please fire up Illustrator. Go to File -> Document Setup -> Artboard.
>>> Here you can set up multiple pages.

>>
>>
>>
>> There is not an option on mine to make multiple pages. What version of
>> Illy did you say you were using?
>>

>
> If you make artwork bigger than your selected paper size in the printer
> driver, you can divide it into several pages. If you go to Help, then
> choose the Index and then 'p' and select 'pages' --> 'adding [1]' there
> is something explained (Dividing the artboard into multiple page tiles).
>
> Waldo

That's tiling a single page for printing, not creating a multipage document.

[Waldo]

Dick Margulis wrote:

> Waldo wrote:
>

>> magmike <mike.kline wrote:
>>

>>> <Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1134572584.069583.20660@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>>>>> an illustration package not
>>>>>> designed to work with documents
>>>>>> of more than one page
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please fire up Illustrator. Go to File -> Document Setup -> Artboard.
>>>> Here you can set up multiple pages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is not an option on mine to make multiple pages. What version
>>> of Illy did you say you were using?
>>>

>>
>> If you make artwork bigger than your selected paper size in the
>> printer driver, you can divide it into several pages. If you go to
>> Help, then choose the Index and then 'p' and select 'pages' -->
>> 'adding [1]' there is something explained (Dividing the artboard into
>> multiple page tiles).
>>
>> Waldo

>
>
>
> That's tiling a single page for printing, not creating a multipage
> document.

That is the only way to create a multipage document as the OP stated. I
wouldn't use Illy for multipages in the first place...

Waldo

[Dick Margulis]

Waldo wrote:

> Dick Margulis wrote:
>

>> Waldo wrote:
>>

>>> magmike <mike.kline wrote:
>>>
>>>> <Mr.Enigmatic@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1134572584.069583.20660@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>>> an illustration package not
>>>>>>> designed to work with documents
>>>>>>> of more than one page
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please fire up Illustrator. Go to File -> Document Setup -> Artboard.
>>>>> Here you can set up multiple pages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is not an option on mine to make multiple pages. What version
>>>> of Illy did you say you were using?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you make artwork bigger than your selected paper size in the
>>> printer driver, you can divide it into several pages. If you go to
>>> Help, then choose the Index and then 'p' and select 'pages' -->
>>> 'adding [1]' there is something explained (Dividing the artboard into
>>> multiple page tiles).
>>>
>>> Waldo

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's tiling a single page for printing, not creating a multipage
>> document.

>
>
> That is the only way to create a multipage document as the OP stated. I
> wouldn't use Illy for multipages in the first place...
>
> Waldo

Yes, of course. Just trying to clarify in case anyone was confused. I
lost track a long time ago of who was asserting what in this thread.