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I came across an old copy of MacDraw. Dated 1985. Just for fun, I tried it on my G5... It runs under classic! As I recall it stopped working on 68000-type Macs at some point, when 32-bit addressing came in (leading to MacDraw II and MacDraw Pro). So I guess "Classic" runs classic programs even better than classic Macs did. Since no modern program will open original MacDraw format doents, it may come it handy. And *this* was interesting to see: System, Finder, MacDraw, MacWrite all on the same 800K floppy....

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    I came across an old copy of MacDraw. Dated 1985. Just for fun, I
    tried it on my G5... It runs under classic! As I recall it stopped
    working on 68000-type Macs at some point, when 32-bit addressing came
    in (leading to MacDraw II and MacDraw Pro). So I guess "Classic" runs
    classic programs even better than classic Macs did.

    Since no modern program will open original MacDraw format doents, it
    may come it handy.

    And *this* was interesting to see: System, Finder, MacDraw, MacWrite
    all on the same 800K floppy.
    Philo Guest

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    In article <151020030943061313%com>,
    Philo D <com> wrote:
     

    Those were the days. :-) On a Mac with a single floppy drive and no
    hard drive, cramming everything onto a single disk was necessary.

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    Tom "Tom" Harrington
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    I was mistaken. Graphic Converter will open MacDraw format doents.
    Philo Guest

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    Philo D wrote: 
    >
    > I was mistaken. Graphic Converter will open MacDraw format doents.[/ref]

    I believe Appleworks can sometimes open them, or at least Clarisworks
    (another old program).
    George Guest

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    In article <151020030943061313%com>,
    com wrote:
     

    Plus your doents.

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    In article <151020030943061313%com>,
    Philo D <com> wrote:
     

    You sure that was an 800K floppy?

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    In article <newsguy.com>, Howard
    Shubs <net> wrote:
     
    >
    > You sure that was an 800K floppy?[/ref]

    system 1 shipped with system, finder, macwrite and macpaint on a 400k
    floppy, with space left over for user's doents.
    nospam Guest

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    Remember the big floppies on the Apple II. How much did they hold?

    Does anyone know what the capacity of the large removable disk drives
    on the IBM360 mainframe was? Can anyone remember the memory size of the
    various models?

    In article <151020032001435240%invalid>, nospam
    <invalid> wrote:
     
    > >
    > > You sure that was an 800K floppy?[/ref]
    >
    > system 1 shipped with system, finder, macwrite and macpaint on a 400k
    > floppy, with space left over for user's doents.[/ref]

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    In article <151020032001435240%invalid>,
    nospam <invalid> wrote:
     
    > >
    > > You sure that was an 800K floppy?[/ref]
    >
    > system 1 shipped with system, finder, macwrite and macpaint on a 400k
    > floppy, with space left over for user's doents.[/ref]

    Correct. That's why I was asking him.

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    Chip G. wrote:
     
    >
    > 140k if my memory serves me well ...[/ref]

    Single-sided was 180 and double-sided 360. If you had a s/s drive, you
    could use both sides by turning the floppies upside down (but of course
    they needed to be written as 2 x single sided...)

    Christian.

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    In article <bmp0a4$p50mn$news.uni-berlin.de>,
    "Christian" <de> wrote:
     
    > >
    > > 140k if my memory serves me well ...[/ref]
    >
    > Single-sided was 180 and double-sided 360. If you had a s/s drive, you
    > could use both sides by turning the floppies upside down (but of course
    > they needed to be written as 2 x single sided...)[/ref]

    And of course there was the old trick of cutting a notch into a
    single-sided disk to make it into a two-sided disk. :-)

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    On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Philo D wrote:
     

    My grad school advisor was using MacWrite up until the time I finished up
    until 1999, I'm sure he's still using it in Classic Mode.

    One thing I found was that the old Abacus Software's StatView II (circa
    1990?) works better on my G4 in Classic Mode than it did on my PowerMac
    6500 (603e) with OS 7.6.1

    Now if I still had a copy of CLRAnova laying around to try out in Classic
    Mode (it stopped working with the switch from the 68k to the PowerPC chip)


    Expletive Guest

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    On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, com wrote: 

    Model I or Model II? I started on a Model I, probably around the same
    time, at the Mizzou EE dept -- maybe '63. Next year, the EE Dept
    upgraded to a Model II -- faster and more memory. Originally I/O was
    punched cards. There was an off line Card Interpreter (printed on the
    card whatever was punched in it), and an offline printer. And then they
    got a Disk and an online printer -- great leap forward.

    joe
    Joe Guest

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    In article <client.attbi.com>, Joe Davison
    <net> wrote:
     
    >
    > Model I or Model II? I started on a Model I, probably around the same
    > time, at the Mizzou EE dept -- maybe '63. Next year, the EE Dept
    > upgraded to a Model II -- faster and more memory. Originally I/O was
    > punched cards. There was an off line Card Interpreter (printed on the
    > card whatever was punched in it), and an offline printer. And then they
    > got a Disk and an online printer -- great leap forward.
    >
    > joe[/ref]

    I have no idea. It was at UCLA.

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    ..and guess what else works? Font D/A Mover! It's my "freebie" tool for
    looking inside suitcases.

    Tim Guest

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    In article <161020030728025835%com>,
    Mickey <com> wrote:
     

    The earliest I can remember had 203 cylinders (3 nominally reserved for
    spares), 10 tracks per cylinder, and something over 3000 bytes per
    track. As far as I know, I was the first to format the tracks into
    fixed size blocks, using automatic track switching to span tracks within
    a cylinder. We formatted our drives to contain 16 2048-byte blocks per
    cylinder.

    I don't recall memory configurations.
     
    > >
    > > system 1 shipped with system, finder, macwrite and macpaint on a 400k
    > > floppy, with space left over for user's doents.[/ref][/ref]

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