[OT] Linux VPN server / Mac windows clients | perl on a Mac editors

[Paul Kraus]

Off topic but this list seems to be filled with Linux gurus. Can someone
point me to some info on how to setup a Linux VPN server that will let M$
and Mac clients attach. Off list please.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
What are some decent perl Mac editors?
Can you tell I just purchased a Mac :)
I love emacs but it seems so far I am only able to run it under a terminal
window. I like how everything in Mac uses the same movement commands as
emacs.

Is there anything I need to be aware of with using perl on a Mac? Should I
take the time to learn "apple script" what ever that is. I would rather
stick with my trusty perl :)

Paul Kraus
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[James Edward Gray II]

On Jan 29, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Paul Kraus wrote:

> What are some decent perl Mac editors?

For my money, BBEdit is the best software investment I ever made.

[url]http://www.barebones.com/[/url]

> I love emacs but it seems so far I am only able to run it under a
> terminal
> window. I like how everything in Mac uses the same movement commands as
> emacs.

BBEdit has a preference to "Use Emacs Key Bindings".

> Is there anything I need to be aware of with using perl on a Mac?
> Should I
> take the time to learn "apple script" what ever that is. I would rather
> stick with my trusty perl :)

Apple Script is the tie into everything scripting language for the Mac,
similar to Visual Basic for Windows. It's handy to know at times,
mostly if you want to manipulate some pretty GUI program automatically.
I wouldn't say I've ever had to know it though. Stick with Perl for
now and then when you find yourself saying, "Now how would I just put
this data straight in there, without importing a file," take a second
glance at Apple Script.

James

[Jan Eden]

Paul Kraus wrote:

>Now back to our regularly scheduled program... What are some decent
>perl Mac editors? Can you tell I just purchased a Mac :) I love
>emacs but it seems so far I am only able to run it under a terminal
>window. I like how everything in Mac uses the same movement commands
>as emacs.
>

Welcome, fellow Mac user. Apart from the usual suspects available for Mac OS X (emacs, vi...), I highly recommend BBEdit. It's advertised mainly as anHTML editor, but I use it for Perl and LaTeX, too. Very clean interface, and many smart features (<http://www.barebones.com>). You can even define Perl filters to apply to your documents and run scripts in the Terminal rightfrom BBEdit. Well done integration with the OS's UNIX underpinnings.

AppleScript is nice for glueing different apps together in Mac OS, but I never spent enough time to get acquainted with it. It's definitely much slower than Perl. And you get Perl 5.8.2 with any new Mac (with Mac OS 10.3, that is)! Just make sure to install all developer tools (XCode CD) to get perldoc (something I recently learned on this list).

>Is there anything I need to be aware of with using perl on a Mac?
>Should I take the time to learn "apple script" what ever that is. I
>would rather stick with my trusty perl :)

HTH,

Jan
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[James Edward Gray II]

On Jan 29, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Jan Eden wrote:

> And you get Perl 5.8.2 with any new Mac (with Mac OS 10.3, that is)!

Sorry to nit pick, but Mac OS X 10.3 comes with Perl 5.8.1-RC3 compiled
with threading options.

James

[Wiggins D Anconia]

>

> Off topic but this list seems to be filled with Linux gurus. Can someone
> point me to some info on how to setup a Linux VPN server that will let M$
> and Mac clients attach. Off list please.
>
> Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
> What are some decent perl Mac editors?
> Can you tell I just purchased a Mac :)
> I love emacs but it seems so far I am only able to run it under a terminal
> window. I like how everything in Mac uses the same movement commands as
> emacs.
>
> Is there anything I need to be aware of with using perl on a Mac? Should I
> take the time to learn "apple script" what ever that is. I would rather
> stick with my trusty perl :)
>

I would echo most of the other's answers, though I prefer to stick with
Vim on all platforms, once a terminal addict always one I guess. Having
said that if you are from an X land then you may want to check out Fink:

[url]http://fink.sf.net[/url]

Which should provide gvim and Xemacs, etc. Fink used to be the only way
to go, but now with Apple's X and them providing a few extras that they
used to miss it isn't as crucial. For Perl related issues on OS X you
might want to look at [email]macosx@perl.org[/email] mailing list archives, it is
medium traffic list that I listen in on, lots of very smart Mac gurus there.

In fact a new Camelbones was just announced apparently....

[url]http://danconia.org[/url]

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Kraus <pkraus@pelsupply.com> writes:

Paul> Off topic but this list seems to be filled with Linux gurus.

Off topic but this list seems to be filled with people who speak
English. Can someone tell me a good book for learning how to write?

Now see how silly that is. Please don't be off topic.

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[Paul Kraus]

> Paul> Off topic but this list seems to be filled with Linux gurus.

>
> Off topic but this list seems to be filled with people who speak
> English. Can someone tell me a good book for learning how to write?

Come on now. It had a perl question very relevant and a side note that if
someone had information to shoot me off an email "off list".

> Now see how silly that is. Please don't be off topic.

Not as silly and off topic as your reply ;)

Not flaming but just saying :)

at any rate I won't do it again... I guess.