Contents --> Resources --> English.lproj Open Browser.nib Select "Window". Hit Shift-Command-I to bring up the Inspector. Uncheck the last item "Textured Window" Save and Quit Next time Safari is opened the Brushed Metal will be gone. -- -=[cwa]=- e-Mail: chris at cwaiken dot net Home: www.cwaiken.net [allowsmilie] => 1 [showsignature] => 0 [ipaddress] => [iconid] => 0 [visible] => 1 [attach] => 0 [infraction] => 0 [reportthreadid] => 0 [isusenetpost] => 1 [msgid] => [ref] => [htmlstate] => on_nl2br [postusername] => Christopher [ip] => cwaiken@nospam. 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Hit Shift-Command-I to bring up the Inspector. > Uncheck the last item "Textured Window" > Save and Quit[/ref] Very interesting. I was able to follow until the > step. Where is "Window"?[/ref] There is a little icon with the word 'Window' underneath it. 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Hit Shift-Command-I to bring up the Inspector. }>>Uncheck the last item "Textured Window" }>>Save and Quit }> }> }> Very interesting. I was able to follow until the > }> step. Where is "Window"? > } > }There is a little icon with the word 'Window' underneath it. > > Not on mine. In the browser.nib folder I see: > classes.nib > info.nib > objects.nib[/ref] Don't open browser.nib as a folder - double click on it. That'll show you what you want. 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    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:02:14 -0700, Sam McDavid wrote:

     

    While I don't mind the brushed metal interface or other things in an
    interface that attempt to resemble items in the real world (do you object
    to shadows, "floating" windows and other 3D elements as well?), I agree
    with your point that moving to brushed-metal interfaces that offer no
    ability to disable them or choose an alternate appearance is a most
    unfortunate decision by Apple.

    I'm a newcomer to the Mac, but my short experience on this platform has
    taught me that elegance and aesthetics are important benefits to
    interfaces, and that these things are often in the eye of the beholder. To
    saddle every OS X Mac user with a non-choosable interface appearance that
    many might not enjoy seems un-Mac-like to me.

    I've seen some tips for defeating the brushed metal appearance of Safari
    and some other apps (involving opening the .app package and editing some
    resource files), but this doesn't work in all cases, and some of the rumor
    sites are definitely reporting that the new apps will *not* have the
    ability to defeat the brushed metal option (although it's not clear if
    they mean that it merely won't be a choosable preference, or that even
    hacking the resource files won't work).

    How ironic that the company selling the OS with the most possibility for
    customization and variety on the planet would choose a single,
    non-customizable appearance for virtually every major app they are
    bringing out. Hopefully, some third-party developer will see opportunity
    here and figure out how to give us back our choices and enable us to use
    the rich interface capabilities of our chosen OS to make our apps look
    pleasing according to our own sensibilities.

    PLM
    Patrick Guest

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    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:02:14 -0700, Sam McDavid wrote:
     

    Just one more thought:

    Maybe Apple should modify the slogan to "Think different (as long as it's
    brushed metal)".

    It also brings to mind the old adage attributed to Henry Ford:

    "You can get it in any color you want, as long as it's black."

    PLM

    Patrick Guest

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    In article
    <bellsouth.net>,
    Sam McDavid <com> wrote:
     

    That's actually not the problem with BM. The real issue is that it is
    an *inconsistent* interface. Rather than being a distinct style/skin,
    it mixes control styles from Aqua with custom controls. Just look at
    iTunes. The volume slider is not an Aqua slider, but it is not a slider
    that is available to other BM app developers nor is it used consistently
    in iTunes itself (bring up the info panel to adjust the volume of a
    single track and it's all Aqua). Buttons in iTunes have the same
    problem, where at the top (just above the non-Aqua slider!) we have
    Aqua-style highlighting, but at the bottom we have the BM push buttons.
    Then we come to the content areas, where on the left we have the
    playlists that have accented highlighting and a metal "Source" header,
    on the right it's all Aqua again.

    The problem with BM is that it's a half-assed effort. That's not
    something we normally see out of Apple, much less something we like to
    see being *pushed* by Apple. Someone needs to grow a pair and tell
    Steve "no, not until we get it right". Thank goodness I can at least
    turn it off in Safari. Reports are that the Panther Finder still isn't
    Cocoa (or nib-based), which mean we'll be stuck with it unless Jobs
    wakes up.
    Doc Guest

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    I eventually got used to brushed metal in Safari. That's not to say
    that I learned to like it; I just got used to it. I'm sure the same will
    happen with Panther. But I don't want to get used to it.
    If public outcry is strong enough, Apple will change it back or at
    least give us a choice. Since the introduction of OS X, they've already
    re-implemented several of 9's features. They would not have done so if
    we didn't moan and complain about missing them so much. They do listen.
    Sometimes.
    But then there's the Apple mouse. They still haven't listened to our
    complaints about their mice. How many of you are actually using the
    mouse that shipped with your computer? And for how long has Apple
    ignored our protests?
    Apple is still the best choice out there, and I wouldn't think of
    abandoning them over something as benign as aesthetics, but this is part
    of the reason I'm a Mac user. I prefer working in the OS X environment
    to working in Windows. And anything that mitigates my enjoyment as a Mac
    user will always be met with resistance.

    Sam Guest

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    I really don't care if it's brush metal or vinyl siding. What bugs me about
    the OS X interface in general is the wasted space: the number of pixels the
    designers use (just as an example) to create a dialog box.

    I rather like Windows' approach: it's cold, heartless, to the point, and
    usually takes up a lot less screen real estate. (Hold on a minute while I
    don my fire-retardant suit!) I don't want an interface to be "soothing" or
    to make me feel "warm and fuzzy" (the quotes are the words of a female
    coworker who had never seen any Mac in her life); I just want it to show me
    what it needs to in a clean concise manner.


    Tim Guest

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    In article <netcom.com>, Patrick Mills wrote: 
    >
    > While I don't mind the brushed metal interface or other things in an
    > interface that attempt to resemble items in the real world (do you object
    > to shadows, "floating" windows and other 3D elements as well?), I agree
    > with your point that moving to brushed-metal interfaces that offer no
    > ability to disable them or choose an alternate appearance is a most
    > unfortunate decision by Apple.
    >
    > I'm a newcomer to the Mac, but my short experience on this platform has
    > taught me that elegance and aesthetics are important benefits to
    > interfaces, and that these things are often in the eye of the beholder. To
    > saddle every OS X Mac user with a non-choosable interface appearance that
    > many might not enjoy seems un-Mac-like to me.
    >
    > I've seen some tips for defeating the brushed metal appearance of Safari
    > and some other apps (involving opening the .app package and editing some
    > resource files), but this doesn't work in all cases, and some of the rumor
    > sites are definitely reporting that the new apps will *not* have the
    > ability to defeat the brushed metal option (although it's not clear if
    > they mean that it merely won't be a choosable preference, or that even
    > hacking the resource files won't work).
    >
    > How ironic that the company selling the OS with the most possibility for
    > customization and variety on the planet would choose a single,
    > non-customizable appearance for virtually every major app they are
    > bringing out. Hopefully, some third-party developer will see opportunity
    > here and figure out how to give us back our choices and enable us to use
    > the rich interface capabilities of our chosen OS to make our apps look
    > pleasing according to our own sensibilities.
    >
    > PLM[/ref]

    I guess I don't get it. Whats all the fuss over appearance? I'm a
    recent PC to iMac convert. What I'm basically interested in is an app.
    that works. Works not crash. Dependable not Blue screen and re-boot.
    Appearance to me means nothing.

    If your so bent on the Brushed Metal look (which isn't too bad in my
    mind) then get rid of it.

    Control-click on Safari
    Show Package Contents
    Safari --> Contents --> Resources --> English.lproj
    Open Browser.nib
    Select "Window". Hit Shift-Command-I to bring up the Inspector.
    Uncheck the last item "Textured Window"
    Save and Quit

    Next time Safari is opened the Brushed Metal will be gone.



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    Christopher Guest

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    On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:59:22 +0000, Christopher W Aiken wrote:
     
    >
    > I guess I don't get it. Whats all the fuss over appearance? I'm a recent
    > PC to iMac convert. What I'm basically interested in is an app. that
    > works. Works not crash. Dependable not Blue screen and re-boot.
    > Appearance to me means nothing.[/ref]

    Yes - priorities must be correct. It's more important that apps don't
    crash than that they look great (and, I hasten to add, "great" is in the
    eye of the beholder - I like the BM look myself, actually, but many people
    don't, and I think it might get a bit old after several years).

    Here would be my priorities:

    1) App does something I'm interested in doing (this must be #1 or,
    presumably, the app wouldn't be installed on my computer at all)
    2) App doesn't misbehave and damage my hard drive or do other "mischief"
    3) App doesn't crash my system
    4) App doesn't crash itself
    5) App is intuitive/user-friendly
    6) App is appealing to use (this is where appearance comes in for me)

    So I agree appearance is far from the most important thing. But, unlike
    you, to me it does *not* mean "nothing" (come on, are all your cars always
    the same color?).
     

    There are three points to make here:

    1) If it's that trivial (and it is) to opt "out" of the BM appearance,
    then Apple should give us a preference to do so, and not force us into
    editing resource files (not everyone who wishes to do so would be
    comfortable with the required steps).

    2) Many of us are puzzled at Apple's choice to pay so much attention to a
    specific appearance (brushed metal), rather than to provide at least a
    small palette of other choices. Why would they assume that BM is so
    compelling to *everyone* that it's the only possible choice? A
    system-level preference to change all the BM apps to one of a few alternate
    choices would be preferable to this "one size fits all" approach.

    3) For those of us not in the Panther preview program, it is not yet clear
    if the techniques you described for disabling BM will still work in the
    future. At least one of the rumor sites has stated several times that the
    BM interface is now the "default" appearance for most apps, and cannot be
    removed:

    http://www.thinksecret.com/news/pantherfindersystem.html

    Here's a quote from the article:

    To be quite clear: The brushed-metal look cannot be removed, and is
    not an "option" that can be switched with an Aqua Finder.

    While it may be that the above language simply assumes that users won't
    edit the resources, as you described, it may also be that Apple is now
    using techniques that are not "defeatable" in that way. I personally
    think that's unlikely, but the quote above does raise the question.

    I'd like to hear from a Panther beta-tester about this particular point,
    but they may all have NDA's that prevent such disclosures.

    PLM
    Patrick Guest

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    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:00:17 -0700, as the moon rose into the night's
    sky, Sam McDavid ed back his head and howled: 

    Why not use Safaricon to force Safari to use the Aqua look instead?
    Works like a champ! And if you don't like Aqua, then take a look at the
    dozens of custom themes that provide an alternate look to Aqua. I must
    change the theme on my Powerbook up to 3 times a week as my mood
    fancies. I'm currently using a custom appearance theme that is one
    artist's rendition of what he thinks the classic Mac look could have
    evolved into. Looks GREAT! And I've *never* had a problem of any kind
    in doing these theme changes. Some links are below for your reading
    pleasure. If you decide to try a custom theme, I suggest using Themer
    3G or Duality 4 GT to install it for you.

    http://tinyurl.com/8ht3
    http://www.recellence.com/themes/
    http://www.stretch.tc/aquaworld/home/home.html
    http://www.conundrumsoft.com/newduality/index.html
    Just Guest

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    In article <BB65AB01.A61C%com>,
    Tim Murray <com> wrote:
     

    I share your feelings. On the other hand, Apple was getting a fairly
    constant stream of criticism over a period of year about how Spartan,
    cold and heartless their UI was. Don't complain here; tell Apple,
    preferably on actual paper, what you want. Give them some counterpoint
    to a decade's worth of demand for a UI that's stimulating and
    "interesting" that led to Platinum, Metal and Aqua.

    G
    Gregory Guest

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    In article
    <local>,
    Christopher W Aiken <net> wrote:
     

    Very interesting. I was able to follow until the <Select "Window">
    step. Where is "Window"?
    Bill Guest

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    Gregory Weston <com> writes: 

    The obvious solution is to make the UI skinnable - and provide a
    control panel to let the user quickly and easily pick a skin. It can
    ship with a "classic" OS9-like skin, an Aqua skin and a brushed-metal
    skin. Then provide some kind of developer toolkit for creating new
    ones.

    This is what Windows has done as a transition device. Win95 had the
    option to use the Windows 3.1 look-and-feel. Windows XP has an
    option to use the Win95/98/Me/NT/2000 look-and-feel.

    Of course, to make this work, application developers will have to use
    the system-provided controls and stop hacking around them (like what
    all the iApps do to force brushed-metal on an Aqua-skinned desktop.)

    -- david
    David Guest

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    Bill Robbins wrote:
     
    >
    >
    > Very interesting. I was able to follow until the <Select "Window">
    > step. Where is "Window"?[/ref]

    There is a little icon with the word 'Window' underneath it.

    Thom

    Thom Guest

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    In article <bi2ops$4l4a5$news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Thom White <net> wrote:

    }Bill Robbins wrote:
    }
    }> In article
    }> <local>,
    }> Christopher W Aiken <net> wrote:
    }>
    }>
    }>>Control-click on Safari
    }>>Show Package Contents
    }>>Safari --> Contents --> Resources --> English.lproj
    }>>Open Browser.nib
    }>>Select "Window". Hit Shift-Command-I to bring up the Inspector.
    }>>Uncheck the last item "Textured Window"
    }>>Save and Quit
    }>
    }>
    }> Very interesting. I was able to follow until the <Select "Window">
    }> step. Where is "Window"?
    }
    }There is a little icon with the word 'Window' underneath it.

    Not on mine. In the browser.nib folder I see:
    classes.nib
    info.nib
    objects.nib

    and nothing else.

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    Revanant Morituri wrote:
     

    Don't open browser.nib as a folder - double click on it. That'll show
    you what you want.

    Thom

    Thom Guest

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    In article <bi2rsb$4ns74$news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Thom White <net> wrote:
     
    >
    > Don't open browser.nib as a folder - double click on it. That'll show
    > you what you want.
    >[/ref]

    Umm, you have to have Developer Tools installed for this to work
    Peter Guest

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    In article <auckland.ac.nz>,
    Peter KERR <domain> wrote:

    }In article <bi2rsb$4ns74$news.uni-berlin.de>,
    } Thom White <net> wrote:
    }
    }> > Not on mine. In the browser.nib folder I see:
    }> > classes.nib
    }> > info.nib
    }> > objects.nib
    }>
    }> Don't open browser.nib as a folder - double click on it. That'll show
    }> you what you want.
    }>
    }
    }Umm, you have to have Developer Tools installed for this to work

    That would explain my problem then. :) The OS10 drive only has so
    much space: enough for the OS, and the core utilities. Everything
    else got put elsewhere. Developer tools would just fill things
    up even more. :) Thanks!

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  19. #19

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    In article <bi2ops$4l4a5$news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Thom White <net> wrote:
     

    Seems to be missing.....
    Bill Guest

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    In article <teranews.com>,
    Revanant Morituri <adelphia.net> wrote:
     

    Yep, that's it on mine as well.
    Bill Guest

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