PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request

[Douglas Douglas]

Hello everybody.

I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET
debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my
graduation work.

In my University, people in charge of approving the
graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies.
They don't believe in the free software movement or
the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a
system using PHP and those people made them change to
ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According
to them it's where the money is.

Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to
fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very
useful to me.

I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to
show them to the authorities, but they said that I
needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals,
etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd
only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED
WEBSITES" opinions and articles.

I pretend to use this comparison found in the
Microsoft MSDN website:
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp[/url]

Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc)
where I could find this kind of "formal comparison"
about both technologies?

I've been looking for some book that covers this
issue. I've also been looking for some magazine
article that I could use.

I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks.

Regards, Douglas.

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[John Manko]

I hate to be the one to break it to you but this isn't the real world.
It's a senior project, and he has a chance to justify the reason to do a
project in the language he see's fit, not what the political machine
wants. I just don't buy the "don't go against the tide" mentality, and
obviously you don't either cause you are on a php mailing list.

-john


Dan Anderson wrote:

>I hate to be the one to break it to you but in the real world if a
>client or the boss says "program in ASP .NET" you program in ASP.NET
>because, well, that's where the money is. That doesn't mean there isn't
>room for using better products, but sometimes you don't get an option.
>
>-Dan
>
>On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 22:45, Douglas Douglas wrote:
>
>

>>Hello everybody.
>>
>>I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET
>>debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my
>>graduation work.
>>
>>In my University, people in charge of approving the
>>graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies.
>>They don't believe in the free software movement or
>>the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a
>>system using PHP and those people made them change to
>>ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According
>>to them it's where the money is.
>>
>>Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to
>>fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very
>>useful to me.
>>
>>I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to
>>show them to the authorities, but they said that I
>>needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals,
>>etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd
>>only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED
>>WEBSITES" opinions and articles.
>>
>>I pretend to use this comparison found in the
>>Microsoft MSDN website:
>>[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp[/url]
>>
>>Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc)
>>where I could find this kind of "formal comparison"
>>about both technologies?
>>
>>I've been looking for some book that covers this
>>issue. I've also been looking for some magazine
>>article that I could use.
>>
>>I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks.
>>
>>Regards, Douglas.
>>
>>__________________________________
>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
>>[url]http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com[/url]
>>
>>

>
>
>
>

[John W. Holmes]

John Manko wrote:

> I hate to be the one to break it to you but this isn't the real world.
> It's a senior project, and he has a chance to justify the reason to do a
> project in the language he see's fit, not what the political machine
> wants. I just don't buy the "don't go against the tide" mentality, and
> obviously you don't either cause you are on a php mailing list.

I've got to agree. There's a difference between your boss telling you
what to program in vs. a university dictating what technology can be
used for graduation work.

I can't help out with the original question, though. What university do
you go to? I thought graduate work was supposed to be on the cutting
edge, making the new technologies?? How are you going to do that if they
make you use MS?

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[Douglas Douglas]

Thanks to everybody for your kind responses.

By the way, I go to the Universidad de El Salvador
(Central America).

In a such poor country like this, Free Software and
Open Source could be the answer to the government's
software needs.

Unfortunately, MS has the monopoly in the government's
software, and our leaders see GNU like "We don't have
any support for that. Nobody guarantees us the GNU
software's good performance. With MS we can demand
answers to SOMEBODY." They say that they prefer to pay
to get that "warranty".

I know that it's going to be hard, but I'm willing to
fight for what I believe in. Wish me luck :D

Thanks again.

Regards, Douglas.

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[Evan Nemerson]

Dunno if it will help, but here's a link to a thread I started a while back:
[url]http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&w=2&r=1&s=convince+teh+boss&q=t[/url]

Make sure you read the whole thread- a lot of people emailed more info than
was originally posted. Also, check everything first- it's been a while,
things may have changed.



On Sunday 10 August 2003 07:45 pm, Douglas Douglas wrote:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET
> debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my
> graduation work.
>
> In my University, people in charge of approving the
> graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies.
> They don't believe in the free software movement or
> the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a
> system using PHP and those people made them change to
> ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According
> to them it's where the money is.
>
> Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to
> fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very
> useful to me.
>
> I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to
> show them to the authorities, but they said that I
> needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals,
> etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd
> only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED
> WEBSITES" opinions and articles.
>
> I pretend to use this comparison found in the
> Microsoft MSDN website:
> [url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm[/url]
>l/phpvsaspnet.asp
>
> Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc)
> where I could find this kind of "formal comparison"
> about both technologies?
>
> I've been looking for some book that covers this
> issue. I've also been looking for some magazine
> article that I could use.
>
> I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks.
>
> Regards, Douglas.
>
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[Joel Rees]

> In a such poor country like this, Free Software and

> Open Source could be the answer to the government's
> software needs.

Well, open source and free software are not God.

Netcraft surveys the internet and reports on actual server usage. It's
always good for a little dose of reality:

[url]http://news.netcraft.com/[/url]

Hmm. I remember some news about Peru.

[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=peru+free+software[/url]

Gives this

[url]http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html[/url]

and, well, this

[url]http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26207.html[/url]

> Unfortunately, MS has the monopoly in the government's
> software, and our leaders see GNU like "We don't have
> any support for that. Nobody guarantees us the GNU
> software's good performance. With MS we can demand
> answers to SOMEBODY." They say that they prefer to pay
> to get that "warranty".

I guess you could always make the argument that, to get Microsoft's
attention and get bribes^H^H^H^H^H^Hhelp from the monopoly, you have to
threaten to break out of it. :-(

You might also mention that, if they want to buy support, RedHat and
other Linux companies are now selling support.

[url]http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/[/url]

Shoot, Mac OS X is a pretty decent buy, too, and ASP does not run native
on Apple's systems.

> I know that it's going to be hard, but I'm willing to
> fight for what I believe in. Wish me luck :D

Good luck, but don't be surprised if the road is longer and harder than
it ought to be. Make sure you can make a living while you're fighting.

--
Joel Rees, programmer, Systems Group
Altech Corporation (Alpsgiken), Osaka, Japan
[url]http://www.alpsgiken.co.jp[/url]

[Ralph Guzman]

[url]http://www.wowwebdesigns.com/wowbb/forum12/149.html[/url]

you might also want to take a look at mono project. An open source
implementation of .net

[url]http://www.go-mono.com/[/url]

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Douglas [mailto:replaceafill@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:46 PM
To: [email]php-general@lists.php.net[/email]
Subject: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request

Hello everybody.

I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET
debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my
graduation work.

In my University, people in charge of approving the
graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies.
They don't believe in the free software movement or
the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a
system using PHP and those people made them change to
ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According
to them it's where the money is.

Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to
fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very
useful to me.

I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to
show them to the authorities, but they said that I
needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals,
etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd
only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED
WEBSITES" opinions and articles.

I pretend to use this comparison found in the
Microsoft MSDN website:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc)
where I could find this kind of "formal comparison"
about both technologies?

I've been looking for some book that covers this
issue. I've also been looking for some magazine
article that I could use.

I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks.

Regards, Douglas.

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