Please help me print a bright yellow...!!!

[dcmurray@adobeforums.com]

Hi everyone,

Well, just when I thought I was gettin' good with Photoshop, something unexpected happens... I can't get a decent bright yellow.

I'm not very good with computers, so I'll tell ya' what I know: I put up the cmyk proof, and it showed the image exactly as I'd like it to look. When I print it, everything's great except the yellow (it's a little orange-ish). I tried a bunch of different color settings, including the "print management" setting. With that, I got a decent (not perfect, but decent) yellow, but it changed the blue in the image to purple.

I'm using an HP 932c Deskjet printer and Photoshop 6.0. Yeah, I know... I'm a bit behind the times.

Can anyone help me?

Oh yeah, my name's Dave. I'm new here, so if this question's already been asked millions of times, please don't kick me.

Thanks everyone!

Dave

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

I here K-mart has a sale on Crayons.

[dcmurray@adobeforums.com]

Oh yeah?

Does anyone have an answer that DOESN'T promote the computer person stereotype?

Thanks again, gang.

Dave

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

look dude.

profile the printer.

profile the monitor.

assign a color space to the image that you like so you can see what the printer will produce.

Convert from working space to printer space.

Print away.

It's easy, once you have all the questionables figured out. Getting there is another story.

btw.

If I had a push button solution, I'd make millions.

I don't so trial and error will be your educator.

[android@adobeforums.com]

Hi Dave -

Ok, let's start with the basics then -

Can you post the CMYK breakdown of your yellow?

Cheers
Andrew

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

Any random numbers printed on a device will give you random colors.

You need to profile the printer so you know what those numbers mean to you.

[android@adobeforums.com]

Hey Mike -

I bet if you REALLY typed that message, it means you can also read, yes?

"I'm not very good with computers"

Funny, I used to know an Ornellas where I lived.

He was an asshat, too.

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

If you're not very good with computers, than your not going to be very good with color.

IF you don't take the driving test, the state in which you live won't issue a drivers license. You can drive, but you'd probably suck at it.

And no, I'm not an ass hole, but a realist and shall always tell you how it is.

It's up to to you to decide your opinion.

Color is a complex and subject topic so thinking that there is an easy fix for everything in short order is foolish.

[android@adobeforums.com]

I didn't say hole, I said hat.

Anyway, the guy is here for help. You're not helping.

I dunno, maybe you're just some kind of misunderstood genius or something.

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

Andrew,

I understand that the guy needs help. That's what the forums are for.

but trying to fix someone's color issues over a forum with an unlimited number of variables is really difficult. That difficulty is compounded by the fact that this guy is not computer savvy.

We can make suggestions and point them to web sites to help, but ultimately, it will take that person who needs help, to take things into their own hands and pound their skull until the light bulb comes on.

<http://www.digitaldog.net>

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

Help me print a bright yellow.

OK

How bright?

What hue?

What dot shape?

What ink set are you using?

What paper?

What color space are you using to assign source?

WTF?

be realistic.........

[android@adobeforums.com]

"I have a yellow that isn't quite right. It looks a little orange."

"Can you tell me the CMYK?"




"Sure, 0,15,100,0."

"Make that 15 zero, and see if that helps."




I swear, Mike, some people just frigging LOVE to make things as complicated as possible right at the outset. What difference does the PAPER make if the color isn't right to start with?

Please spare me the "mad skillz" nonsense and follow your own advice.

[JasonSmith@adobeforums.com]

"What difference does the PAPER make if the color isn't right to start with?"

It's all in the destination, once that is established, only then can you start to get the 'right' color.

[Mike_Ornellas@adobeforums.com]

Paper stock makes a HUGE difference because the paper may have optical brighteners that cast colors in an undesirable direction or how much ink is adsorbed will make some colors look dead.

You are evaluating the image because it is reflecting light. Paper, plays a bigger role than you think.

ALSO,

What light are you looking at the print under?

Florescent? IF so, what color temp?

You see, it's not that simple....

[JasonSmith@adobeforums.com]

Fortunately yellow is one of the forgiving colors...if it's too orange, simply turn the M down.

But if there are problems hitting a specific blue, you're really up the creek.

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

One other not so small thing: how yellow is your yellow ink on your paper?
You can't get yellower than that…

[android@adobeforums.com]

JASON!!!

HAVEN'T YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION?

We need to know paper stock, color temperature, ink density, dot shape, relative humidity, and so forth, before considering making such a teensy little change like you're suggesting.

After all, it's not that simple. Mike says so.

[JasonSmith@adobeforums.com]

"HAVEN'T YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION?"

Yes - HAVENT YOU READ MY FIRST POST!?

"After all, it's not that simple. Mike says so."

You think he's joking - now try to hit a Pantone 293C (in 4 color) and get back with me.

(On most media I can hit it, can you?)

[dcmurray@adobeforums.com]

Sorry gang,

I didn't mean to start a flame war.

The cmyk color numbers are c=5 m=0 y=100 k=0. The dpi is 300. The paper is HP Premium Plus Glossy Photo Paper. In color settings, I have "Color Management off".

I'm leaning towards it being a printer problem, just because every time I hit "Preview", it shows precisely what I want... and then prints that evil yellow. Of course, I definitely wouldn't mind bein' wrong.

Whenever I put my printer through the whole color test, it LOOKS like I should get at least close to the desired yellow. But, just in case it is the printer... does anyone have any new printer suggestions?

Thanks again, everybody.

Dave

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

Look at the Epson range.

I think that you will find that you can get truer results from one of theirs than you can from HP's printers without a lot of fiddling with dot-gain curves.