Popup Menus

[Bill Jaynes]

Hello,
I am just starting to make popup menus with FW4. Is it the case that the
popped menu will only appear relative to the "container" whether frame,
layer or table?

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[Murray *TMM*]

Bill:

Here's the truth about the pop-up menus....

They will add at least 35K of code overhead to the first page, as well as a
large dynamic write to each page containing the menus.

You should also know that they link to your files using document relative
links that are hardcoded in your javacript - not only are these links
invisible to the DW link management routines (i.e., when you move a page in
the site, you break the link), but worse, they are also invisible to the
search engine spiders, and accessability (508) requirements. You can solve
the
first of these link problems by converting your links to ROOT RELATIVE
links,
but you still have no link management capability through DW should you later
rename or move any linked file. The only way to solve the second problem is
to
make sure that your pages have alternate, HTML-based navigation links on
them.

I am not fond of these menus (as you have no doubt guessed) and feel that it
is important to know what you are getting into before you may devote much
time to them.

There are some excellent alternatives to these pop-ups that have none of
these problems. Here are two methods that are very simple -

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]

or

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]

Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally trouble
free -

[url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]


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"Bill Jaynes" <bjaynes@montanaport.net> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I am just starting to make popup menus with FW4. Is it the case that

the

> popped menu will only appear relative to the "container" whether frame,
> layer or table?
>
> --
> "Cheers" \\ | //
> (o o)
> ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------
> Bill Jaynes
> Swan River Software
> (406) 837 4132 | [email]support@shesmylittle.com[/email]
> [url]www.shesmylittle.com/index.htm[/url]
>
>

[Bill Jaynes]

Thanks very much Murray; those other solutions look interesting. I'd seen
really effective use of something called bbMenu at...

[url]http://www.newmillennium.com/[/url]

It seems there are a lot of ways to do this.
Thanks again,
Bill


"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> Bill:
>
> Here's the truth about the pop-up menus....
>
> They will add at least 35K of code overhead to the first page, as well as

a

> large dynamic write to each page containing the menus.
>
> You should also know that they link to your files using document relative
> links that are hardcoded in your javacript - not only are these links
> invisible to the DW link management routines (i.e., when you move a page

in

> the site, you break the link), but worse, they are also invisible to the
> search engine spiders, and accessability (508) requirements. You can

solve

> the
> first of these link problems by converting your links to ROOT RELATIVE
> links,
> but you still have no link management capability through DW should you

later

> rename or move any linked file. The only way to solve the second problem

is

> to
> make sure that your pages have alternate, HTML-based navigation links on
> them.
>
> I am not fond of these menus (as you have no doubt guessed) and feel that

it

> is important to know what you are getting into before you may devote much
> time to them.
>
> There are some excellent alternatives to these pop-ups that have none of
> these problems. Here are two methods that are very simple -
>
> [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]
>
> or
>
> [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]
>
> Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally

trouble

> free -
>
> [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
>
>
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> Murray --- ICQ 71997575

[Murray *TMM*]

Please don't use that site as a guide -

1. <body> tag in head of document:

<html><body onload="void(0);" text="#000000" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0"
marginheight="0" marginwidth="0">
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="ALL">

2. No <body> tag after head:

</head>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"
class="headercolour">

3. Deprecated code:

<font size="+1">

4. Second <body> tag deep in page's code with nonsense attribute:

<body onload="void(0);">

5. A huge bolus of embedded code to describe the menus, and links, none of
which would be spidered.

6. Redundant </body> tags:

</body>

</body>


</html>


My advice - learn how to do it right, and roll your own.

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"Bill Jaynes" <bjaynes@montanaport.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks very much Murray; those other solutions look interesting. I'd seen
> really effective use of something called bbMenu at...
>
> [url]http://www.newmillennium.com/[/url]
>
> It seems there are a lot of ways to do this.
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:bm3jjp$bmi$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Bill:
> >
> > Here's the truth about the pop-up menus....
> >
> > They will add at least 35K of code overhead to the first page, as well

as

> a

> > large dynamic write to each page containing the menus.
> >
> > You should also know that they link to your files using document

relative

> > links that are hardcoded in your javacript - not only are these links
> > invisible to the DW link management routines (i.e., when you move a page

> in

> > the site, you break the link), but worse, they are also invisible to the
> > search engine spiders, and accessability (508) requirements. You can

> solve

> > the
> > first of these link problems by converting your links to ROOT RELATIVE
> > links,
> > but you still have no link management capability through DW should you

> later

> > rename or move any linked file. The only way to solve the second

problem

> is

> > to
> > make sure that your pages have alternate, HTML-based navigation links on
> > them.
> >
> > I am not fond of these menus (as you have no doubt guessed) and feel

that

> it

> > is important to know what you are getting into before you may devote

much

> > time to them.
> >
> > There are some excellent alternatives to these pop-ups that have none of
> > these problems. Here are two methods that are very simple -
> >
> > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]
> >
> > or
> >
> > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]
> >
> > Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally

> trouble

> > free -
> >
> > [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
> >
> >
> > --
> > Murray --- ICQ 71997575

>
>

[SimAda00]

Hello,

Is their a way of adding pop-up menus to text rather than pictures?

[Murray *TMM*]

Yes.

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"SimAda00" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Is their a way of adding pop-up menus to text rather than pictures?

[SimAda00]

could you please advise me as to how this is done

[Murray *TMM*]

What is your skill level with HTML/CSS/javascript?

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"SimAda00" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> could you please advise me as to how this is done

[SimAda00]

Very basic, not particually good, although i am quite conversant with VB.net if that makes any difference

[Murray *TMM*]

No, it doesn't help in this case.

Why not examine the several menu products offered at PVII - I use them on
just about every site I build and find them the best I have seen....

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/[/url]

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"SimAda00" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Very basic, not particually good, although i am quite conversant with
> VB.net if that makes any difference

[ray@raywebprojects.com]

Why do you recommend buying a separate product for this purpose when it should
work in DW?

I am also having problems in DW8.02 adding pop-ups to my nav bars. Following
the DW help instructions, I highlight the image on the nav bar and select Tag >
Behaviors but the Pop-up choice is not active. Same for any text link.

[Murray *ACE*]

> Why do you recommend buying a separate product for this purpose when it

> should
> work in DW?

1. I didn't recommend buying a separate product. The links I gave you are
all free.

2. It should work, but it doesn't.


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"ray@raywebprojects.com" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Why do you recommend buying a separate product for this purpose when it
> should
> work in DW?
>
> I am also having problems in DW8.02 adding pop-ups to my nav bars.
> Following
> the DW help instructions, I highlight the image on the nav bar and select
> Tag >
> Behaviors but the Pop-up choice is not active. Same for any text link.
>