Pre-installed

[John River]

Hi

As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.

What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a pc
with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.

Thanks

John

[John River]

Hi

As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.

What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a pc
with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.

Thanks

John

[John Butler]

John River,

Unless you are doing this on a large scale, the best way of doing this is to buy the software [Windows, office, etc..] and install it then get your customers to pay for it with the system and give them the relevant CD's. This what I do and to avoid spending time on upgrades I have the updates stored on a proxy server so that they can be rapidly downloaded to a new machine.

If you are selling many PC's you need to approach Microsoft for OEM terms.

--
Onclejean


"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a pc
> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>

[John Butler]

John River,

Unless you are doing this on a large scale, the best way of doing this is to buy the software [Windows, office, etc..] and install it then get your customers to pay for it with the system and give them the relevant CD's. This what I do and to avoid spending time on upgrades I have the updates stored on a proxy server so that they can be rapidly downloaded to a new machine.

If you are selling many PC's you need to approach Microsoft for OEM terms.

--
Onclejean


"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a pc
> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>

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John River wrote:

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to
> sell a pc with windows on it with out going to great expense and
> having to buy a license every time. Lots of computer companies do it,
> how is this legally possible. Please note I am not looking to break
> any laws.

There's a crack for XP here: [url]http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83/xp_crack.htm[/url]

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[3-Hydroxy-2-Pyrazolyl-Nitrophenoxy-Trimethoxybenzoyl-2-Ethyl-2-Pyrazone]

John River wrote:

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to
> sell a pc with windows on it with out going to great expense and
> having to buy a license every time. Lots of computer companies do it,
> how is this legally possible. Please note I am not looking to break
> any laws.

There's a crack for XP here: [url]http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83/xp_crack.htm[/url]

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Anarchy is having to put up with things that piss you off.
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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a

pc

> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>

John,

To sell a PC with Windows XP and Office Pre-installed you are required to
purchase a license for this. #
This cost is then passed on by you to your customer.
This is what all reputable companies who sell PCs do.
The cost of these OEM license is less then the retail cost and you purchase
them from Microsoft under the terms of an OEM system builder agreement.
see
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/[/url]
and
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/main.asp[/url]



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"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a

pc

> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a

pc

> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>

John,

To sell a PC with Windows XP and Office Pre-installed you are required to
purchase a license for this. #
This cost is then passed on by you to your customer.
This is what all reputable companies who sell PCs do.
The cost of these OEM license is less then the retail cost and you purchase
them from Microsoft under the terms of an OEM system builder agreement.
see
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/[/url]
and
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/main.asp[/url]



--
Regards,

Mike
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XPbOa.8414$4O4.738356@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...

> Hi
>
> As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
> My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
> preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
> What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a

pc

> with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
> license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
> possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>

[Amethyst]

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> John,

Marcia! OOPS! Forgot this wasn't e-mail!

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[Noname]

Just use sysprep and the first time they start the PC, they will have to
enter a code from the CD.

Bloody hell, I am a novice self taught and I know that.

God help us from so called experts.

[Noname]

Just use sysprep and the first time they start the PC, they will have to
enter a code from the CD.

Bloody hell, I am a novice self taught and I know that.

God help us from so called experts.

[Ron Martell]

"John River" <johnriver1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi
>
>As a computer practitioner I sell computer systems of various types.
>My question is what are the legal views on selling a computer with a
>preinstalled copy of windows or office etc on it.
>
>What is the most common way for someone like myself to be able to sell a pc
>with windows on it with out going to great expense and having to buy a
>license every time. Lots of computer companies do it, how is this legally
>possible. Please note I am not looking to break any laws.
>

In order to legally sell a computer with Windows installed you must
purchase that computer + Windows from a computer manufacturer,
assembler or wholesale distributor.

If you want to assemble the computers yourself and install Windows on
them you must purchase OEM versions of Windows from an authorized
distrbutor and install them.

The computer companies do exactly the same thing, except that those
selling large volumes of computers have special licensing from
Microsoft that allows them the manufacture the Windows CDs themselves
and remit the appropriate per copy license fee to Microsoft.
Alternatively they can be authorized to produce a "system recovery" CD
with a complete disk image of the freshly installed Windows on it; or
to put that image onto a hidden "system recovery" partition on the
computer hard drive. Again, the license fee for each copy sold must
be remitted to Microsoft.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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