printer ink (im)permanence?

Posted: 09-17-2003, 02:42 PM
I believe I have seen or heard reference to a spray "ink fixative", or some such thing, which will help photo-printer inks to stabilize or not fade too quickly. Does anyone have any information about it?
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Beth Haney
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Posted: 09-17-2003, 03:47 PM
I'll let you know in a few years! :) I just bought a can of some stuff called "Sureguard" at the local camera store, which is what they recommended. It's primarily a UV protectorant. I think it was Brent that gave the name of one he's used in the past, but DeRusto is the only thing I can think of. (I'm not sure that's right, but I associated it with spray paint.) There's also one manufactured under the name Marshall, which is supposed to be very good, too. The camera place I shop hasn't been able to get any of it lately. I've been told you can buy this at craft stores. We have one called Michaels in our town, and the people I talked to looked at me like I was crazy, but I think it may have been just the salespeople I was talking to that weren't familiar with it. If you go to a place like that, look over by the oil paints. The Marshall brand is popular with artists because it apparently lets a person paint on top of a photograph that's been sprayed.
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Posted: 09-17-2003, 07:37 PM
Donald and Beth,
I've used Krylon #1305 ( by Sherwin Williams) in the past with good results ( at least I've had no "bad" results ) . See the following link at Red River Paper , <http://www.redrivercatalog.com/Pages/archival_frameset.html> .

They compare results using the spray versus not using the spray.

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Posted: 09-17-2003, 11:40 PM
I've read a little about this, but not much yet because I'm not crazy about spraying my prints. But I have read about the different kinds of papers available, and the difference between dye and pigment inks. I think I'd want to know more about this before I decided which prints to spray or not.
For example, I believe there is one kind of paper in which the ink sinks into the paper and actually becomes part of the paper. I believe there's another kind in which the ink sits on top of the paper and dries there. I thought one of these could be sprayed reasonably, and one would not really benefit from spraying. Am I on track here?
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 01:21 AM
Krylon! Yep Brent, that was it! I was close, though, wasn't I? :)
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 01:37 AM
Donald,
I believe that the main purpose of these fixative sprays are to prevent damage to the print from water droplets etc., which would cause smearing. Except for one bad HP colour cartridge, I have not had problems with fading (yet). The product I use (Inkjet fix) claims to have UV inhibitors and to protect against fading.

John
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 01:40 AM
Brent, how do you feel about the Epson Color Life paper ? I just bought some semigloss today. I also feel weird about 'spraying' something on the pictures. What if i spray too much or something...
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 02:08 AM


main purpose of these fixative sprays are to prevent damage




Actually, I know several professional photographers who believe that they have had a great deal of trouble with prints fading quickly when they did not use a spray.
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 04:33 AM
Inkjet prints have always been subject to fading. I thought that was the whole idea with the Epson 2000, and now the 2200 printers...the ink is supposedly longer lived. I haven't left any of my inkjet prints out in the sun, but looking at prints I made several years ago, I can't see any obvious fading. I figure, Hell, I'm 66 years old...how long to I want the prints to last, anyway? The files are on CD, so they can be reprinted by my heirs, if they're interested.
Bert
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Posted: 09-18-2003, 06:59 AM
The files are on CD, so they can be reprinted by my heirs, if they're interested.

Bert, there has been a research by some computer magazine and the consumer union (which usually prove they don't understand anything about their test subject ;-) ) in the Netherlands. This research showed many cd's will not last longer than just only a few years, especially the cheap ones.
I always print with pigmented inks on Epson coated paper. according to the Wilhelm Institute they should last -if I remember well- for about 70 years.
I'm 55 now, so .....

Leen
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