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Printing Transparency Issues - Adobe Indesign Windows

I just posted this under the Creative Suite forum when it should be here - in Indesign. Sorry.... Using ID CS updated (3.0.1) under Windows 2000. In the process of converting PM6 docs to Indesign, I'm changing the instances of 'fake drop shadows (putting two copies of text on top of each other and offset)' into true DropShadows within InDesign - which seems like a more efficient way of handling text. However, when printing to a color inkjet, the bounding box of the text is printing a different color than the colored rectangle upon which it sits. It's obviously a ...

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    Default Printing Transparency Issues

    I just posted this under the Creative Suite forum when it should be here - in Indesign. Sorry....

    Using ID CS updated (3.0.1) under Windows 2000.

    In the process of converting PM6 docs to Indesign, I'm changing the instances of 'fake drop shadows (putting two copies of text on top of each other and offset)' into true DropShadows within InDesign - which seems like a more efficient way of handling text.

    However, when printing to a color inkjet, the bounding box of the text is printing a different color than the colored rectangle upon which it sits. It's obviously a flattening issue.

    I've read the posts and have tried the solutions - my flattener space is CMYK, my spot colors have all been converted to process colors, I've tried putting a blank letter between the type layer and the art layer that holds the colored rectange upon which the type sits. Nothing helps.

    I can print to PDF and then print from there and it's not an issue. But the colors are all off when I do that and it seems like an extra step I shouldn't have to take.....
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Can you detail about any use of color management?
    mikewitherell_at_jetsetcom_dot_net Guest

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    It's not a flattening issue from an ID standpoint, it's a printer driver issue.
    Michael_S._Flynn@adobeforums.com Guest

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    How can you tell? And is there another work around if you have the newest driver installed?

    In terms of color - using Adobe RGB space and Web Uncoated Web as the working spaces and Use Color Settings intent in the three select boxes

    Thanks
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Are you using all CMYK colors? Are you printing to a postscript printer
    with composite CMYK set as the output in the print dialog box?

    Bob

    Bob_Levine Guest

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    yes to all
    all cymk
    ps lexmark optra 45
    yes to composite cmyk
    indesign output summary below - do you see anything in there?

    Oh - i also tried converting the text to outlines to see what it would do and it did the same thing - just with a smaller bounding box since the text was now outlined...

    Print Preset: [Custom]
    Printer: Lexmark Optra Color 45 PS
    PPD: Lexmark Optra Color 45
    PPD File: C:\WINNT\system32\spool\DRIVERS\W32X86\3\LOPC45.PP D

    General
    Copies: 1
    Collate: N/A
    Reverse Order: Off
    Pages: 4
    Sequence: All Pages
    Spreads: Off
    Print Master Pages: Off
    Print Non-printing Objects: Off
    Print Blank Pages: Off
    Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off

    Setup
    Paper Size: Legal
    Paper Width: 8.5 in
    Paper Height: 14 in
    Page Orientation: Portrait
    Paper Offset: N/A
    Paper Gap: N/A
    Transverse: N/A
    Scaling: 100%
    Constrain Proportions: On
    Page Position: Upper Left
    Thumbnails: Off
    Tiling: Off

    Marks and Bleed
    Crop Marks: Off
    Bleed Marks: Off
    Registration Marks: Off
    Color Bars: Off
    Page Information: Off
    Printer Mark Type: Default
    Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
    Mark Offset from Page: 0.0833 in
    Use Doent Bleed Settings: On
    Bleed Top: 0 in
    Bleed Bottom: 0 in
    Bleed Left: 0 in
    Bleed Right: 0 in
    Include Slug Area: Off

    Output
    Color: Composite CMYK
    Text As Black: Off
    Trapping: N/A
    Flip: None
    Negative: N/A
    Screening: Default
    Simulate Overprint: Off

    Graphics
    Send Data: Optimized Subsampling
    Download: Complete
    Download PPD Fonts: On
    PostScript®: Level 2
    Data Format: ASCII

    Color Management
    Source Space: Doent
    Profile: Doent CMYK - U.S. Web Uncoated v2
    CRD: N/A
    Intent: N/A

    Advanced
    OPI Image Replacement: Off
    EPS: Off
    PDF: Off
    Bitmap Images: Off
    Transparency Flattener Preset: [High Resolution]
    Ignore Spread Overrides: Off
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    > Graphics
    > Send Data: Optimized Subsampling
    It's a long shot, but change this to all.

    Bob

    Bob_Levine Guest

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    thanks but it came out the same....
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Let's try an experiment. Export to PDF using press settings modified to
    Acrobat 5 compatibility.

    Then try printing the PDF.

    Bob

    Bob_Levine Guest

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    Check your transparency blend space.

    Also, I beleive that model Lexmark, is PS L2 Emulated. That could be causing
    some issues for you.

    Larry


    Larry_Grohman@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Transparency blend space is CMYK, same as doent.

    When I exported to PDF, press settings to Acrobat 5, opened the resulting PDF in Acrobat 6 and printed - the transparency problem is still there.

    In terms of the simulated bit with this printer - please explain more - is there anything I can do?
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Make sure that all color management is turned OFF in your printer driver.

    Bob

    Bob_Levine Guest

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    When you export as Acrobat 5 (PDF version 1.4) you are preserving
    transparency. Have you tried exporting as Acrobat 4 (PDF version 1.3)? This
    will flatten the transparency in the resulting PDF, which can then be
    printed pretty much as it is.

    As for as the Postscript emulation; if that indeed is your problem (don't
    know for sure of course, just speculating) then there is probably not much
    you can do short of using a Postscript RIP to pre-process the file, or
    perhaps complain to Lexmark.

    Emulated postscript means that Lexmark did not license the code from Adobe,
    but rather wrote their own postscript interpreter. There is nothing wrong
    with that, as PS is open code, but sometimes printer manufacturers cut
    corners in writing the code, and leave out some important functionality;
    vis-a-vis transparency support.

    Larry




    Larry_Grohman@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Well this is very interesting.

    All printer color management is indeed off.

    When I did as suggested and exported as Version 4 - the purple box on which the text lays is now the RIGHT purple. YEAH!!! However, the text itself just disappeared. It shows on the PDF when viewed in Acrobat but doesn't print at all. Geez.
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    This exact same file prints fine on another printer - a laser.

    So it is definitely the lexmark driver, I suppose. Too bad - it printed fine from Pagemaker on the lexmark.. Guess I can't use any drop shadows or anything else using transparency on this printer.

    Thanks for all the suggestions and help.
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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    I suggest you take a run at Lexmark for a fix. We have a rather old Optra
    S, that originally would choke on InDesign files, and many PDF's. After
    complaining to Lexmark they sent us a new SIM to install, which fixed all of
    the problems.

    And there still should be some way for you to make a PDF that will print.
    You might try some different flattener settings, and also try Postscrpt
    through Distiller to make your PDF


    Good luck

    Larry


    Larry_Grohman@adobeforums.com Guest

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    Thanks for the suggestion to contact Lexmark. I'll do that.

    I'm weary of trying to fix it from the printing end. I've tried many, many settings (including Distilling) and nothing seems to work. So I'll just back out the transparency out of every file that needs to be printed on this color printer. The printer is going to be replaced at some point in the near future, I think.
    JulieASmith@adobeforums.com Guest

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