pronunciation guide

[Paul Archer]

Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such
in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and
doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for
example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if people typically say
something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or "#!" is a "shebang".

Paul

[Paul Kraus]

Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to
$ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing
with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken
as such.

String-underscore.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Archer [mailto:tigger@io.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM
To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
Subject: pronunciation guide


Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and
such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by
reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm
not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if people
typically say something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or "#!" is a
"shebang".

Paul

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[Peter Scott]

In article <000201c36b09$1f11be00$76fea8c0@pkraus>,
[email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email] (Paul Kraus) writes:

>Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to
>$ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing
>with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken
>as such.
>
>String-underscore.

I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences,
heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I
heard $_ referred to as anything other than "dollar underscore" or
occasionally "dollar underbar".

Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were
mnemonic for anything, it would be "scalar", not "string".

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Archer [mailto:tigger@io.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM
>To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
>Subject: pronunciation guide
>
>
>Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and
>such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by
>reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm
>not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if people
>typically say something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or "#!" is a
>"shebang".

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[Paul Kraus]

Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ...
I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".

Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

Paul

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From: Peter Scott [mailto:peter@psdt.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM
To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
Subject: RE: pronunciation guide


In article <000201c36b09$1f11be00$76fea8c0@pkraus>,
[email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email] (Paul Kraus) writes:

>Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer
>to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when
>dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is

>spoken as such.
>
>String-underscore.

I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences,
heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I
heard $_ referred to as anything other than "dollar underscore" or
occasionally "dollar underbar".

Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were
mnemonic for anything, it would be "scalar", not "string".

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Archer [mailto:tigger@io.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM
>To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
>Subject: pronunciation guide
>
>
>Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and

>such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by
>reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm
>not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if
>people typically say something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or
>"#!" is a "shebang".

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[George Schlossnagle]

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Paul Kraus wrote:

> Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ...
> I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".
>
> Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

I've been to a number of conferences as well and never heard anyone
refer to $anything as anything other than 'dollar anything'.

George

[Paul Johnson]

Paul Kraus said:

> Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ...
> I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".
>
> Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it is
(was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as "string" since
that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with dollars.

But as far as Perl is concerned it is "dollar", and I am not aware of any
exceptions.

Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling,
dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy.

You might find this link interesting:

[url]http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html[/url]

But people, # is not a pound! ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Scott [mailto:peter@psdt.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
> Subject: RE: pronunciation guide
>
>
> In article <000201c36b09$1f11be00$76fea8c0@pkraus>,
> [email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email] (Paul Kraus) writes:

>>Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer
>>to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when
>>dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is

>

>>spoken as such.
>>
>>String-underscore.

>
> I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences,
> heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I
> heard $_ referred to as anything other than "dollar underscore" or
> occasionally "dollar underbar".
>
> Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were
> mnemonic for anything, it would be "scalar", not "string".

--
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[url]http://www.pjcj.net[/url]

[Paul Kraus]

Yep. One of our remaining distribution packages is still using business
basic. Sums it up :)

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:paul@pjcj.net]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:54 AM
To: [email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email]
Cc: [email]peter@psdt.com[/email]; [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
Subject: RE: pronunciation guide


Paul Kraus said:

> Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming
> ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".
>
> Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it
is (was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as "string"
since that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with
dollars.

But as far as Perl is concerned it is "dollar", and I am not aware of
any exceptions.

Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling,
dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy.

You might find this link interesting:

[url]http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html[/url]

But people, # is not a pound! ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Scott [mailto:peter@psdt.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
> Subject: RE: pronunciation guide
>
>
> In article <000201c36b09$1f11be00$76fea8c0@pkraus>,
> [email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email] (Paul Kraus) writes:

>>Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer
>>to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when
>>dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and
>>is

>

>>spoken as such.
>>
>>String-underscore.

>
> I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and
> conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never
> before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than "dollar
> underscore" or occasionally "dollar underbar".
>
> Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were
> mnemonic for anything, it would be "scalar", not "string".

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[Arthaey Angosii]

>Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such

>in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and
>doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for
>example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if people typically say
>something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or "#!" is a "shebang".

My friend and I have been learning Perl in relative isolation from any
other experienced Perl programmers, so we've developed our own names for
these variables. I have no idea what the rest of the community uses, but
we have adopted $_ as "Dalton" -- a (mis)contraction of "DOLlar
UNderscore". :) We also pronounce $ in from of normal variables as
"scalar", and @ as "array" (or less frequently "list", if we feel like
being more accurate).

I have heard <=> as "spaceship" and <> as the "diamond" operator.

But I agree with you, it would be interesting to have some global list of
various ways Perl's special variables are called. :)


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[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Arthaey" == Arthaey Angosii <arthaey@hotpop.com> writes:

Arthaey> I have heard <=> as "spaceship" and <> as the "diamond" operator.

Larry's daughter Heidi came up with "diamond". And I'm the culprit
responsible for "spaceship".

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[Peter Farrar]

I thought it was only called 'string' in Applesoft...

Glad to hear I'm not the only one. My co-workers think I'm crazy.



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Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to
$ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing
with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken
as such.

String-underscore.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Archer [mailto:tigger@io.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM
To: [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
Subject: pronunciation guide


Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and
such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by
reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm
not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken "dollar-underscore", or if people
typically say something else--like "<=>" is a "spaceship", or "#!" is a
"shebang".

Paul

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[Paul Archer]

4:53pm, Paul Johnson wrote:

> Paul Kraus said:
>

> > Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ...
> > I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".
> >
> > Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

>
> Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it is
> (was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as "string" since
> that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with dollars.
>
> But as far as Perl is concerned it is "dollar", and I am not aware of any
> exceptions.
>
> Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling,
> dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy.
>

I thought it was a "bang for your buck"...

> You might find this link interesting:
>
> [url]http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html[/url]
>

Good link, thanks.

> But people, # is not a pound! ;-)
>

Of course not, it's an octothorpe. Everyone knows that.

Paul

PS. What's with the Pauls here? Are Pauls particularly passionate about
Perl, or primarily pronunciation?

[Paul Archer]

8:58am, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

> >>>>> "Arthaey" == Arthaey Angosii <arthaey@hotpop.com> writes:

>
> Arthaey> I have heard <=> as "spaceship" and <> as the "diamond" operator.
>
> Larry's daughter Heidi came up with "diamond". And I'm the culprit
> responsible for "spaceship".
>
> --

And we (I, anyway) thank you. I got a good laugh out of that today when I
told my class that's what it was called--"no, really, that's it's name..."

Paul Archer

[Christopher X66156 McMahon]

On a Tandem, all processes begin with "$". As in: "$WRITER is
writing to the file; $BILL is the process that monitors the bank balance".
You'll definitely confuse Tandem people if you call the dollar sign
"string".
-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: George Schlossnagle [mailto:george@omniti.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:31 AM
To: [email]pkraus@pelsupply.com[/email]
Cc: [email]Peter@PSDT.com[/email]; [email]beginners@perl.org[/email]
Subject: Re: pronunciation guide


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Paul Kraus wrote:

> Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ...
> I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as "string".
>
> Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :)

I've been to a number of conferences as well and never heard anyone
refer to $anything as anything other than 'dollar anything'.

George

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