Quark Backups

[Bob_Regner@adobeforums.com]

Many times I had a need to go back to the fourth or fifth previously saved version of a Quark document. This proved to be a major time saver.
Can this function be duplicated in inDesign?
(I thought perhaps I could do it with Version Cue, but it crashes upon opening and probably will have to be re-installed.
Many thanks for your help!

[Mike Witherell]

Yes, that is what Version Cue is for. Sounds like you are having OS system problems that need to be rooted out.

[Peter_Truskier@adobeforums.com]

Bob,

Are you by chance using an Intel Mac? If so, I think that Version Cue is simply incompatible.

[DavidT]

Many times I had a need to go back to the fourth or fifth previously saved
version of a Quark document.




Heavens to Murgatroyd, I cannot recall a single instance of having to go back to such a thing, in ID or in the Quark old days. I think there are two radically different workflows here.

I might do a 'save as' and add 01 or 02 onto the name if it's anything over thirty pages but when the job's finished and printed, the old versions are dumped.

Having to revert to a document four or five generations ago sounds alien, somehow. Ho hum, takes all sorts.

[Jay_Chevako@adobeforums.com]

DavidT wrote:

>
> Having to revert to a document four or five generations ago sounds alien, somehow. Ho hum, takes all sorts.
>

You must not have neurotic clients.
Jay

[Brutus_Maximus@adobeforums.com]

>You must not have neurotic clients.

Or CSRs who promise customers the moon, without regard for how much work they are creating for the production staff. The automatic backup utility is one of the very few things I miss about working in Quark.

[DavidT]

The automatic backup utility is one of the very few things I miss about
working in Quark.




I do remember trying it out while it first appeared in Q and, frankly, hated it for various reasons. Control freak, maybe.

No, definitely.

[Richard_Sohanchyk@adobeforums.com]

I save everything including all versions. So if I've edited a newsletter 10 times from contract to press, I have 10 dated versions - the final which I package (even though I send a PDF to press) and all the others in a comp/unused art folder. Many, many times articles and images that didn't make the printing one month will be used the following month. Only someone who doesn't do newsletters or booklets on a daily basis would ever think of dumping everything except the printed version and art.

[Bob_Regner@adobeforums.com]

David T -- Heavens to Murgatroyd! "I might do a 'save as' and add 01 or 02 onto the name . . ."
How does that constitute a radically different workflow than what I have been doing?

[DavidT]

Bob, well, the key word was 'might'. In fact, it's in reality a rare event and, as I pointed out, I dump older versions as soon as possible. Purely out of interest, what kind of work necessitates going back to a version maybe five or more generations old? OK, I can imagine a customer not being happy with a design, going through several changes and then ending up where the designer actually started from, but that's not a frequent occurence.

Whatever, what I'm saying I suppuse is that with any kind of automatic backup system I would soon find cluttered folders getting on my nerves.

In a similar vein, one worker here packages everything before saving it to the server, so we end up with duplicate files a-go-go, such five hundred or more copies of his favourite fonts and a mess of identical logos.

[Richard_Sohanchyk@adobeforums.com]

what kind of work necessitates going back to a version maybe five or more
generations old?




As mentioned earlier, newsletters, textbooks and catalogs frequently require pickups from an earlier generation. Brochures and other collateral less often. Oftentimes client will delete an article from a newsletter and then 6 revisions later call to tell me the article needs to be in the newsletter. Happens all the time. Same with a catalog. "Hey Rich, remove the denim shirts from our spring line." A month later, "Hey Rich, put the denim shirts on the same page as fall jackets." It's a tremendous timesaver to have formatted text that you can just drop in and modify if need be. Or sometimes, they'll change the prices and a month later want the prices that were in an earlier version.

When a project is done, I burn everything to CD or DVD including all versions and all used and unused images.

[Brutus_Maximus@adobeforums.com]

Or when the customer insists that we did something/didn't do something in the production cycle, it's great to be able to pull up an earlier proof and say, "It's right here!" I've silenced/placated irate customers many times by pulling successive proof files out of our archives.

Like Rich, I keep backup copies of every file I receive or touch. We're a large in-plant printer for a major research university, with separate offset and toner printing divisions. We also print for federal, state, and local governmental agencies, other educational institutions, and non-profits. Needless to say, a lot of jobs flow through our plant. We've got a 2 TB RAID server divided into monthly volumes. We keep everything live in the monthly volumes for four months after a job is done, when we make redundant archives to tape and CD or DVD. The CDs and DVDs are then backed up onto one of two terrabyte RAID drives on our backup station, which is accessible over the network. I literally have immediate access to every file used in over 100,000 jobs, with probably another 100,000 jobs available on tape or CD/DVD archive.

[DavidT]

Fine. We don't do that type of repeat work, evidently.

Oh, remind me not to get that catalogue, Richard. 8)))

[Richard_Sohanchyk@adobeforums.com]

Actually the clothes are very nice. I get lots of freebies. The shirts retail for $145+, a suit jacket can easily be $1200. I was with the client once when someone walked off the street into the showroom and ordered $6,000 of shirts and matching pants in about 5 minutes. Nice to have money.

[John_Slate@adobeforums.com]

Does Quark does not automatically save versions throughout the editing process, that may be relied on to access an older version of your project???

<Snagglepuss>Heavens to Murgatroyd! Exit... stage right!<\sp>

[DavidT]

Actually the clothes are very nice. I get lots of freebies. The shirts
retail for $145+, a suit jacket can easily be $1200. I was with the client
once when someone walked off the street into the showroom and ordered
$6,000 of shirts and matching pants in about 5 minutes. Nice to have money.




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