Resizing image with fills

[Bill Ray]

When you do a resize (Modify>Image Size) Is the "scale attributes" box
checked?


--
BR
"foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"




"DanB321" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Help!
> I have a client that wants to convert the graphics I gave them for web use

to printing. But when when I resize the image to 600dpi, the patterns used
in the image fills don't also resize/resample. I'll have to do all the work
over again. These are complex and I really really don't want to rework
them.

> I downloaded a trial of Freehand, hoping I could import the graphics and

it would handle the resizing, but it seems to convert the fills to solid.

> Is there any easy way to maintain the design and still have an image I can

print with??

> Thank you,
> Dan B
>
>

[Bill Ray]

And also the DPI is gonna have to beraised.

The best way to prepare an image for print from FW is to export it as a TIFF
and open it in Photoshop. From there, convert the colorspace to CYMK.

--
BR
"foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"




"Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> You've got than just resizing to worry about if he's going to have them
> printed. If he's having them printed for business reasons, the images you
> created for him will also have to be converted to Pantone colors, if

they're

> not coverted, the printer is going to have a hard time and may tell him

they

> won't be able to print.
>
> You may won't to clarify this with your client.
>
> Bob
>
>
> "DanB321" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:bghbvp$2gn$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Help!
> > I have a client that wants to convert the graphics I gave them for web

use

> to printing. But when when I resize the image to 600dpi, the patterns

used

> in the image fills don't also resize/resample. I'll have to do all the

work

> over again. These are complex and I really really don't want to rework
> them.

> > I downloaded a trial of Freehand, hoping I could import the graphics and

> it would handle the resizing, but it seems to convert the fills to solid.

> > Is there any easy way to maintain the design and still have an image I

can

> print with??

> > Thank you,
> > Dan B
> >
> >

>
>

[Bob Boisvert]

Hey Billy,

Just a question. if you convert to CYMK, you have a 4 color system that's
going to skyrocket the price of printing. Wouldn't he better off to use a
Pantone system to convert the color space? I've only been through this once,
but what an experience!

Bob

"Bill Ray" <bill@billraydrums.com> wrote in message
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> And also the DPI is gonna have to beraised.
>
> The best way to prepare an image for print from FW is to export it as a

TIFF

> and open it in Photoshop. From there, convert the colorspace to CYMK.
>
> --
> BR
> "foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"
>
>
>
>
> "Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:bghfl7$6rh$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > You've got than just resizing to worry about if he's going to have them
> > printed. If he's having them printed for business reasons, the images

you

> > created for him will also have to be converted to Pantone colors, if

> they're

> > not coverted, the printer is going to have a hard time and may tell him

> they

> > won't be able to print.
> >
> > You may won't to clarify this with your client.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > "DanB321" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> > news:bghbvp$2gn$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > Help!
> > > I have a client that wants to convert the graphics I gave them for web

> use

> > to printing. But when when I resize the image to 600dpi, the patterns

> used

> > in the image fills don't also resize/resample. I'll have to do all the

> work

> > over again. These are complex and I really really don't want to rework
> > them.

> > > I downloaded a trial of Freehand, hoping I could import the graphics

and

> > it would handle the resizing, but it seems to convert the fills to

solid.

> > > Is there any easy way to maintain the design and still have an image I

> can

> > print with??

> > > Thank you,
> > > Dan B
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Bill Ray]

I've got a digital printer guy that outputs them in the CYMK colorspace.

I've always been under the impression that You WANT to use the 4-color
process because it's "Subtractive" and goes to paper well.

AS far as pricing goes, I get 1000 business cards for $89, four-color job.
To me that's reasonable but as far as any other job, I'd be lying if I said
I had experience. :)


--

BR

"Foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"
"Does bad art eliminate good art?
NO WAY! Tons of bad art only make a perfect picture frame
for the masterpieces!"
Ben Jacoby

"Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Billy,
>
> Just a question. if you convert to CYMK, you have a 4 color system that's
> going to skyrocket the price of printing. Wouldn't he better off to use a
> Pantone system to convert the color space? I've only been through this

once,

> but what an experience!
>
> Bob
>
> "Bill Ray" <bill@billraydrums.com> wrote in message
> news:bghfsv$73h$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > And also the DPI is gonna have to beraised.
> >
> > The best way to prepare an image for print from FW is to export it as a

> TIFF

> > and open it in Photoshop. From there, convert the colorspace to CYMK.
> >
> > --
> > BR
> > "foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:bghfl7$6rh$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > You've got than just resizing to worry about if he's going to have

them

> > > printed. If he's having them printed for business reasons, the images

> you

> > > created for him will also have to be converted to Pantone colors, if

> > they're

> > > not coverted, the printer is going to have a hard time and may tell

him

> > they

> > > won't be able to print.
> > >
> > > You may won't to clarify this with your client.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > "DanB321" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bghbvp$2gn$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> > > > Help!
> > > > I have a client that wants to convert the graphics I gave them for

web

> > use

> > > to printing. But when when I resize the image to 600dpi, the patterns

> > used

> > > in the image fills don't also resize/resample. I'll have to do all

the

> > work

> > > over again. These are complex and I really really don't want to

rework

> > > them.
> > > > I downloaded a trial of Freehand, hoping I could import the graphics

> and

> > > it would handle the resizing, but it seems to convert the fills to

> solid.

> > > > Is there any easy way to maintain the design and still have an image

I

> > can

> > > print with??
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Dan B
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[David Prescott]

using the pantone system means that you can specify specific colours and
they will print according as they appear on the pantone (printed) swatches
on the same paper stock. This is useful if you have a corporate colour and
you want it to always look the same (as far as you can)
it makes no difference to the cost (it's probably more if the printer has to
mix a pantone colour as well) than CMYK printing. the only way it would be
cheaper is if you were using a pantone spot colour and maybe one other
colour (e.g. black) but as we're talking about patterns and images then it
will need to be full colour i.e. CMYK.

"Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bghgho$7uj$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Hey Billy,
>
> Just a question. if you convert to CYMK, you have a 4 color system that's
> going to skyrocket the price of printing. Wouldn't he better off to use a
> Pantone system to convert the color space? I've only been through this

once,

> but what an experience!
>
> Bob
>
> "Bill Ray" <bill@billraydrums.com> wrote in message
> news:bghfsv$73h$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > And also the DPI is gonna have to beraised.
> >
> > The best way to prepare an image for print from FW is to export it as a

> TIFF

> > and open it in Photoshop. From there, convert the colorspace to CYMK.
> >
> > --
> > BR
> > "foosball is th' DEVIL, Bobby Bouchet"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bob Boisvert" <webdad@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:bghfl7$6rh$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > You've got than just resizing to worry about if he's going to have

them

> > > printed. If he's having them printed for business reasons, the images

> you

> > > created for him will also have to be converted to Pantone colors, if

> > they're

> > > not coverted, the printer is going to have a hard time and may tell

him

> > they

> > > won't be able to print.
> > >
> > > You may won't to clarify this with your client.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > "DanB321" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bghbvp$2gn$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> > > > Help!
> > > > I have a client that wants to convert the graphics I gave them for

web

> > use

> > > to printing. But when when I resize the image to 600dpi, the patterns

> > used

> > > in the image fills don't also resize/resample. I'll have to do all

the

> > work

> > > over again. These are complex and I really really don't want to

rework

> > > them.
> > > > I downloaded a trial of Freehand, hoping I could import the graphics

> and

> > > it would handle the resizing, but it seems to convert the fills to

> solid.

> > > > Is there any easy way to maintain the design and still have an image

I

> > can

> > > print with??
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Dan B
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Amy Blankenship]

"David Prescott" <dave_pirjo@surfeu.fi> wrote in message
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> using the pantone system means that you can specify specific colours and
> they will print according as they appear on the pantone (printed) swatches
> on the same paper stock. This is useful if you have a corporate colour and
> you want it to always look the same (as far as you can)
> it makes no difference to the cost (it's probably more if the printer has

to

> mix a pantone colour as well) than CMYK printing. the only way it would be
> cheaper is if you were using a pantone spot colour and maybe one other
> colour (e.g. black) but as we're talking about patterns and images then it
> will need to be full colour i.e. CMYK.

I beg to differ. I worked at a print shop in my early years, and they had a
two-color press, which is a whole different (and far cheaper) animal than a
four-color press. The skill level necessary to run the 2-color is also
different than the four color.

If all you HAVE is a four-color press, then you are correct. But you could
go to a shop that has both, or one that has just a 2-color (not sure if they
make 1 and 3 color...I was not the pressman), and get your job printed more
cheaply on the cheaper press than on the more expensive equipment with more
expensive labor.

Hope this clarifies.


--
Amy Blankenship
Magnolia Multimedia

[David Prescott]

it would be cheaper IF you can print a full colour fill (which i assume
these pictures these) on a two colour press but you can't. if you have a
full colour job then you need a full colour press surely that's the point?!
dave

"Amy Blankenship" <amy@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David Prescott" <dave_pirjo@surfeu.fi> wrote in message
> news:bgj36t$3qq$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > using the pantone system means that you can specify specific colours and
> > they will print according as they appear on the pantone (printed)

swatches

> > on the same paper stock. This is useful if you have a corporate colour

and

> > you want it to always look the same (as far as you can)
> > it makes no difference to the cost (it's probably more if the printer

has

> to

> > mix a pantone colour as well) than CMYK printing. the only way it would

be

> > cheaper is if you were using a pantone spot colour and maybe one other
> > colour (e.g. black) but as we're talking about patterns and images then

it

> > will need to be full colour i.e. CMYK.

>
> I beg to differ. I worked at a print shop in my early years, and they had

a

> two-color press, which is a whole different (and far cheaper) animal than

a

> four-color press. The skill level necessary to run the 2-color is also
> different than the four color.
>
> If all you HAVE is a four-color press, then you are correct. But you

could

> go to a shop that has both, or one that has just a 2-color (not sure if

they

> make 1 and 3 color...I was not the pressman), and get your job printed

more

> cheaply on the cheaper press than on the more expensive equipment with

more

> expensive labor.
>
> Hope this clarifies.
>
>
> --
> Amy Blankenship
> Magnolia Multimedia
>
>

[Tom Unger]

David Prescott;
I agree--the use of fills probably means that process color will be
required for the job, so adding a spot color would increase the number of
separations (more inks would be required and possibly another pass through
the press). Spot color can be cheaper when the number of separations is
below 4, as the job may not require a 4 color press or it will require less
passes through a smaller press. Sometimes it's still necessary to create a
spot color to match a corporate color faithfully then one can with process
color, or for special effects such as metallic inks etc.
-Tom Unger

[DanB321 webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Well, I have Fireworks 4 and I think the same checkbox is labeled 'resample image'. But I do have that checked.
The problem with exporting as a Tiff, is that as soon as I do that the background textures are lost. I think that textures are bitmaps rather than vectors and maybe that's what's causing the problem.
I think I'm using the wrong product to produce graphics intended for printing. But I love FW and have lots of existing graphics to pull from that I've done in the past.

Dan