Safari and FW Popup Menu (fw_menu.js)

[Timothy Atwood]

Sub-menus from the fw_menu.js script popup menus do not appear to be working
in Mac OSX Safari browser. Any one else noticed this? Anyone found a fix?

The primary menu works fine in Safari. It is just sub-menus which seem to
have a problem.

Note: I have adapted my special version of fw_menu.js which allows the popup
menus to position themselves relative to the trigger. The new version should
now do the proper positioning with all khtml based browsers (Safari,
Konqueror, etc.)

If you use my version, you may wish to pick up a new one at:
[url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/test/popup.htm[/url]

I will officially release this new version as soon as I know more about the
Safari sub-menu problem. But if you would like to pick up a copy which at
least does the right relative positioning, you may do so at the link above.

At least it works except for submenus as mentioned above. But this appears
to be a problem with the original version as distributed by Macromedia also.


--
Timothy Atwood
Holtenwood Computing
[url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/[/url]

[Murray *TMM*]

Timothy:

You are very brave indeed. Even after your adaptation you are left with a
very bulky menu system that cannot be managed with DW, cannot be spidered by
Search engines, and cannot pass accessability requirements. Why anyone
would want to use it is beyond me. Or have you changed any of that?

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"Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
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> Sub-menus from the fw_menu.js script popup menus do not appear to be

working

> in Mac OSX Safari browser. Any one else noticed this? Anyone found a fix?
>
> The primary menu works fine in Safari. It is just sub-menus which seem to
> have a problem.
>
> Note: I have adapted my special version of fw_menu.js which allows the

popup

> menus to position themselves relative to the trigger. The new version

should

> now do the proper positioning with all khtml based browsers (Safari,
> Konqueror, etc.)
>
> If you use my version, you may wish to pick up a new one at:
> [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/test/popup.htm[/url]
>
> I will officially release this new version as soon as I know more about

the

> Safari sub-menu problem. But if you would like to pick up a copy which at
> least does the right relative positioning, you may do so at the link

above.

>
> At least it works except for submenus as mentioned above. But this appears
> to be a problem with the original version as distributed by Macromedia

also.

>
>
> --
> Timothy Atwood
> Holtenwood Computing
> [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/[/url]
>
>

[Timothy Atwood]

I've gone a different direction on most of my new sites. But I still have
sites written with the old popup menu script. And other people still use it.
So I need to maintain it.

One of these days I will get time to redesign the old sites... (ha ha).

Yes it is bulky.

I would never have a site, old or new, which did not have a crawler page to
ensure all crawlers could get to all important pages. No matter what type of
scripting, rollovers, intelligent links, CGI's, or what have you I might
have elsewhere. Although most of the spiders have gotten better at
navigating all the fancy crap, I still don't trust it. I always give them an
easy way.

Ditto accessibility. Although the fancy junk is there for most people, I
always have a way for even a text only (large print, etc.) browser to find
the important information.

PS: What would you recommend as a DW based replacement for the FW popup
menus? Preferably something which can be made to look and behave somewhat
similarly? I would prefer not to have to go back to clients and have them
approve a whole new design. Better to just fix it without too much change.

(Unless of course I can convince them Change Is Good and their site needs a
complete face-lift. And of course assuming they have piles of spare cash to
pay me to do it...)


"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> Timothy:
>
> You are very brave indeed. Even after your adaptation you are left with a
> very bulky menu system that cannot be managed with DW, cannot be spidered

by

> Search engines, and cannot pass accessability requirements. Why anyone
> would want to use it is beyond me. Or have you changed any of that?
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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>
> "Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
> news:bmi71s$2ni$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Sub-menus from the fw_menu.js script popup menus do not appear to be

> working

> > in Mac OSX Safari browser. Any one else noticed this? Anyone found a

fix?

> >
> > The primary menu works fine in Safari. It is just sub-menus which seem

to

> > have a problem.
> >
> > Note: I have adapted my special version of fw_menu.js which allows the

> popup

> > menus to position themselves relative to the trigger. The new version

> should

> > now do the proper positioning with all khtml based browsers (Safari,
> > Konqueror, etc.)
> >
> > If you use my version, you may wish to pick up a new one at:
> > [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/test/popup.htm[/url]
> >
> > I will officially release this new version as soon as I know more about

> the

> > Safari sub-menu problem. But if you would like to pick up a copy which

at

> > least does the right relative positioning, you may do so at the link

> above.

> >
> > At least it works except for submenus as mentioned above. But this

appears

> > to be a problem with the original version as distributed by Macromedia

> also.

> >
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Atwood
> > Holtenwood Computing
> > [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/[/url]
> >
> >

>
>

[Kim Cavanaugh]

Timothy--

Working fine for me in Safari 1.0 (v85). Flyouts for sub-menus appear
and links go to your test pages.

Similar issue as with Mozilla based browsers in that no "hand" appears
when over the menu item, but the menu functions otherwise.

Kim

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[Murray *TMM*]

What would I recommend? These tutorials -

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]

or

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]

10% of the bulk, and none of the other problems.

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"Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
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> I've gone a different direction on most of my new sites. But I still have
> sites written with the old popup menu script. And other people still use

it.

> So I need to maintain it.
>
> One of these days I will get time to redesign the old sites... (ha ha).
>
> Yes it is bulky.
>
> I would never have a site, old or new, which did not have a crawler page

to

> ensure all crawlers could get to all important pages. No matter what type

of

> scripting, rollovers, intelligent links, CGI's, or what have you I might
> have elsewhere. Although most of the spiders have gotten better at
> navigating all the fancy crap, I still don't trust it. I always give them

an

> easy way.
>
> Ditto accessibility. Although the fancy junk is there for most people, I
> always have a way for even a text only (large print, etc.) browser to find
> the important information.
>
> PS: What would you recommend as a DW based replacement for the FW popup
> menus? Preferably something which can be made to look and behave somewhat
> similarly? I would prefer not to have to go back to clients and have them
> approve a whole new design. Better to just fix it without too much change.
>
> (Unless of course I can convince them Change Is Good and their site needs

a

> complete face-lift. And of course assuming they have piles of spare cash

to

> pay me to do it...)
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:bmi8th$4ua$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Timothy:
> >
> > You are very brave indeed. Even after your adaptation you are left with

a

> > very bulky menu system that cannot be managed with DW, cannot be

spidered

> by

> > Search engines, and cannot pass accessability requirements. Why anyone
> > would want to use it is beyond me. Or have you changed any of that?
> >
> > --
> > Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> > (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
> > ==================
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GET

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> > ==================
> >
> > "Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
> > news:bmi71s$2ni$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > Sub-menus from the fw_menu.js script popup menus do not appear to be

> > working

> > > in Mac OSX Safari browser. Any one else noticed this? Anyone found a

> fix?

> > >
> > > The primary menu works fine in Safari. It is just sub-menus which seem

> to

> > > have a problem.
> > >
> > > Note: I have adapted my special version of fw_menu.js which allows the

> > popup

> > > menus to position themselves relative to the trigger. The new version

> > should

> > > now do the proper positioning with all khtml based browsers (Safari,
> > > Konqueror, etc.)
> > >
> > > If you use my version, you may wish to pick up a new one at:
> > > [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/test/popup.htm[/url]
> > >
> > > I will officially release this new version as soon as I know more

about

> > the

> > > Safari sub-menu problem. But if you would like to pick up a copy

which

> at

> > > least does the right relative positioning, you may do so at the link

> > above.

> > >
> > > At least it works except for submenus as mentioned above. But this

> appears

> > > to be a problem with the original version as distributed by Macromedia

> > also.

> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Timothy Atwood
> > > Holtenwood Computing
> > > [url]http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/[/url]
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

I really like ypSlideOutMenus
([url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]).

They work in nearly every browser/os on the planet, they are very smooth,
and the code is only 5k. They are really easy to set up (though there is no
GUI or DW extension). This menu system is used on a ton of large/well-known
sites as well ([url]www.Quark.com[/url], [url]www.Mediatemple.net[/url], etc.).

I can not say enough about the YoungPup set of scripts.

On a side note; I really recommend everyone check out the article on making
pop-up windows
([url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/articles/how-to-create-popups.xml[/url]). It
will really save you time and make your site more compatible with all
browsers/os's/web users.

Later,
Craig - [url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]


"Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
news:bmijfq$gkm$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> PS: What would you recommend as a DW based replacement for the FW popup
> menus? Preferably something which can be made to look and behave somewhat
> similarly? I would prefer not to have to go back to clients and have them
> approve a whole new design. Better to just fix it without too much change.
>
> (Unless of course I can convince them Change Is Good and their site needs

a

> complete face-lift. And of course assuming they have piles of spare cash

to

> pay me to do it...)

[Murray *TMM*]

Craig:

I often recommend those myself. But they are not for people unaccustomed to
working in the code.

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<craig@solardreamstudios.com> wrote in message
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> I really like ypSlideOutMenus
> ([url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]).
>
> They work in nearly every browser/os on the planet, they are very smooth,
> and the code is only 5k. They are really easy to set up (though there is

no

> GUI or DW extension). This menu system is used on a ton of

large/well-known

> sites as well ([url]www.Quark.com[/url], [url]www.Mediatemple.net[/url], etc.).
>
> I can not say enough about the YoungPup set of scripts.
>
> On a side note; I really recommend everyone check out the article on

making

> pop-up windows
> ([url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/articles/how-to-create-popups.xml[/url]). It
> will really save you time and make your site more compatible with all
> browsers/os's/web users.
>
> Later,
> Craig - [url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]
>
>
> "Timothy Atwood" <tim@holtenwood.bc.ca> wrote in message
> news:bmijfq$gkm$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > PS: What would you recommend as a DW based replacement for the FW popup
> > menus? Preferably something which can be made to look and behave

somewhat

> > similarly? I would prefer not to have to go back to clients and have

them

> > approve a whole new design. Better to just fix it without too much

change.

> >
> > (Unless of course I can convince them Change Is Good and their site

needs

> a

> > complete face-lift. And of course assuming they have piles of spare cash

> to

> > pay me to do it...)

>
>