should I worry about netscape 4 anymore?

[Getho]

I've just designed a site with an external styleshet that uses percentages
for font sizes. I now know that netscape 4 displays percentages as pixel
heights (meaning my default font will be 85 pixels high!!!). I've got 2
questions:
1) should I give a stuff?
2) I know you can write rules in CSS. Would it be possible to write a
"meta" rule that applied to the whole stylesheet to tell netscape 4 to use
just one plain old font style (boring but better than huge text), would I
have to write it for each class, and where can I find out how to!

thanks
geth




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[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Getho schrieb:

>
> I've just designed a site with an external styleshet that uses percentages
> for font sizes. I now know that netscape 4 displays percentages as pixel
> heights (meaning my default font will be 85 pixels high!!!).

NN4 does have a lot of problems with percentage units, but a direct
translation of % to px would be news to me. Can you give us an URL, or
check your code against the bug list at
<http://css.nu/pointers/bugs-nn.html> ?

> I've got 2 questions:
> 1) should I give a stuff?

That's a business decision. It depends on the particular circumstances
of the site and your requirements list, which you and your client signed
as part of the contract.

> 2) I know you can write rules in CSS. Would it be possible to write a
> "meta" rule that applied to the whole stylesheet to tell netscape 4 to use
> just one plain old font style (boring but better than huge text), would I
> have to write it for each class, and where can I find out how to!

"How to hide CSS from buggy browsers", by Johannes Koch:
<http://w3development.de/css/hide_css_from_browsers/>


Matthias

[P@tty *TWB*]

Interesting, Flo. I've had similar experiences. I have web design clients
who use NN4; they don't have a good reason, and they don't even have a clear
understanding that there are different browsers. We could call them behind
the times, etc., but they want to write checks for web development work, and
it seems foolish to just refuse to support their favorite browser.

Also, until very recently, THREE of the most computer-savvy people I knew
used NN4. One, the IT Manager for a mid-sized company. Two, a full-time Unix
administrator for a major university. Three, a very talented Dreamweaver web
developer. In all of these cases, there was an element of wanting to resist
Microsoft, and maybe some more irrational reasons. I asked #2 at one point,
What exactly is the reason you use that browser? Her answer: "No reason."
:-)

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"Flo Nelson" <flojnel@nospamanamidesigns.com> wrote in message
news:bepcit$oh7$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> One warning about NN4. The stats for current usage are low, but that

doesn't

> tell the whole story. We've been marketing a web site/application recently
> and we found out that two of the major decision makers for our first

buying

> client were using NN4 - we were happy we had decided to give it fairly
> decent support right now (though I will dance a jig with everyone else

when

> we can officially declare it dead). We did explain to them why they should
> upgrade.
>
> Found out a tester for another site was using NN4 - when asked why (she is
> fairly computer savvy) she said the large university she works for had
> trouble getting newer browsers to support some legacy program they have

and

> a result everyone was forced to use NN4!
>
> Flo
>
> "Getho" <gethinc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bep0l2$9uc$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > I've just designed a site with an external styleshet that uses

percentages

> > for font sizes. I now know that netscape 4 displays percentages as

pixel

> > heights (meaning my default font will be 85 pixels high!!!). I've got 2
> > questions:
> > 1) should I give a stuff?
> > 2) I know you can write rules in CSS. Would it be possible to write a
> > "meta" rule that applied to the whole stylesheet to tell netscape 4 to

use

> > just one plain old font style (boring but better than huge text), would

I

> > have to write it for each class, and where can I find out how to!
> >
> > thanks
> > geth
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>

[Flo Nelson]

Wild isn't it? we'll have to have a virtual party when we no longer run into
this.

Flo


"P@tty *TWB*" <payers@NOSPAMnc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bephvj$1iv$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Interesting, Flo. I've had similar experiences. I have web design clients
> who use NN4; they don't have a good reason, and they don't even have a

clear

> understanding that there are different browsers. We could call them behind
> the times, etc., but they want to write checks for web development work,

and

> it seems foolish to just refuse to support their favorite browser.
>
> Also, until very recently, THREE of the most computer-savvy people I knew
> used NN4. One, the IT Manager for a mid-sized company. Two, a full-time

Unix

> administrator for a major university. Three, a very talented Dreamweaver

web

> developer. In all of these cases, there was an element of wanting to

resist

> Microsoft, and maybe some more irrational reasons. I asked #2 at one

point,

> What exactly is the reason you use that browser? Her answer: "No reason."
> :-)
>
> --
> P@tty Ayers
> [url]http://www.WebDevBiz.com[/url]
> Web Design Contract, Estimate Worksheet
> --
>
>
> "Flo Nelson" <flojnel@nospamanamidesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:bepcit$oh7$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > One warning about NN4. The stats for current usage are low, but that

> doesn't

> > tell the whole story. We've been marketing a web site/application

recently

> > and we found out that two of the major decision makers for our first

> buying

> > client were using NN4 - we were happy we had decided to give it fairly
> > decent support right now (though I will dance a jig with everyone else

> when

> > we can officially declare it dead). We did explain to them why they

should

> > upgrade.
> >
> > Found out a tester for another site was using NN4 - when asked why (she

is

> > fairly computer savvy) she said the large university she works for had
> > trouble getting newer browsers to support some legacy program they have

> and

> > a result everyone was forced to use NN4!
> >
> > Flo
> >
> > "Getho" <gethinc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:bep0l2$9uc$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > I've just designed a site with an external styleshet that uses

> percentages

> > > for font sizes. I now know that netscape 4 displays percentages as

> pixel

> > > heights (meaning my default font will be 85 pixels high!!!). I've got

2

> > > questions:
> > > 1) should I give a stuff?
> > > 2) I know you can write rules in CSS. Would it be possible to write a
> > > "meta" rule that applied to the whole stylesheet to tell netscape 4 to

> use

> > > just one plain old font style (boring but better than huge text),

would

> I

> > > have to write it for each class, and where can I find out how to!
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > geth
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[gethin]

Thanks for the interesteing responses. I found people with older macs
still using NN4. I saw the info about %age being treated like height
on a css website (which one I forget). I'd love someone else to
confirm that, though. I guess I will do as little as possible to make
it look OK.

Getho



"Eric A. Meyer" <eric@meyerweb.com> wrote in message news:<eric-1A35E2.11272113072003@forums.macromedia.com>...

> In article <bep0l2$9uc$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
> "Getho" <gethinc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> > I've just designed a site with an external styleshet that uses percentages
> > for font sizes. I now know that netscape 4 displays percentages as pixel
> > heights (meaning my default font will be 85 pixels high!!!). I've got 2
> > questions:
> > 1) should I give a stuff?

>
> Only your server's access logs know for sure. If you have a
> noticeable NN4.x visitor base, then probably yes. If not, then probably
> no.