Professional Web Applications Themes

Table row height problems - Macromedia Dreamweaver

Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible solution. -- ============================================== Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage) WEBMASTER Resources(tm) [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url] FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc. ============================================== To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see: [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url] "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om... > Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem! > > I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded > edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom > ...

  1. #1

    Default Re: Table row height problems

    Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    solution.

    --

    ==============================================
    Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    ==============================================
    To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]

    "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    > Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    >
    > I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    > edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    > right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    > odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    > except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    > when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    > columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    > large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    > shed any light on this!?
    >
    > The site can be viewed at
    > [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    >
    > I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    > off makes no difference.
    >
    > Many thanks
    > Steve

    Thomas A. Rowe Guest

  2. #2

    Default Re: Table row height problems


    "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowemvps.org> wrote in message
    news:eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    <top posting fixed>
    > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    > [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]
    >
    > "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    > > Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    > >
    > > I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    > > edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    > > right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    > > odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    > > except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    > > when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    > > columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    > > large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    > > shed any light on this!?
    > >
    > > The site can be viewed at
    > > [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    > >
    > > I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    > > off makes no difference.
    > >
    > > Many thanks
    > > Steve
    >
    >
    > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    > solution.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ==============================================
    > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    > [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    > ==============================================
    Or don't, considering the 279 markup errors on
    [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com/welcome.asp[/url]

    I'm not about to take HTML advice from someone who s all over their
    markup like that.

    Then again, it was made with frontpage...

    --
    Karl Core





    EightNineThree Guest

  3. #3

    Default [meta] Re: Table row height problems

    "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowemvps.org> wrote in
    news:eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

    (quoting fixed)
    > "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    >> Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    >>
    >> I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    >> edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    >> right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    >> odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    >> except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    >> when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    >> columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    >> large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    >> shed any light on this!?
    >>
    >> The site can be viewed at
    >> [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    >>
    >> I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    >> off makes no difference.
    >>
    >> Many thanks
    >> Steve
    > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    > solution.
    I don't know about the other groups to which all this was crossposted but
    in alt.html it's customary to put your replies below the quoted text.

    > --
    >
    > ==============================================
    > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    > [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    > ==============================================
    > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    > [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]
    Second, it's bad nettiquite to have a sig that's longer than 4 lines.

    Also, you put your sig above the text which you quoted. Another bad
    idea. When viewing your post, all of the quoted text was marked as part
    of your signature.

    Sam Hughes Guest

  4. #4

    Default Re: [meta] Re: Table row height problems

    Dear Net Nanny Sam:

    In the FP newsgroups, it's quite appropriate to top post and have sigs the
    way Mr. Rowe did. Suggest you tell your buddies in the alt groups not to
    cross-post to MS FP newsgroups if you want your petty rules followed.

    --
    -----
    Tom Pepper Willett
    Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    -----
    "Sam Hughes" <meprivacy.net> wrote in message
    news:Xns93A3C5C58F0D8samreid130.133.1.4...
    | "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowemvps.org> wrote in
    | news:eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
    |
    | (quoting fixed)
    |
    | > "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    | > news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    | >> Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    | >>
    | >> I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    | >> edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    | >> right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    | >> odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    | >> except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    | >> when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    | >> columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    | >> large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    | >> shed any light on this!?
    | >>
    | >> The site can be viewed at
    | >> [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    | >>
    | >> I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    | >> off makes no difference.
    | >>
    | >> Many thanks
    | >> Steve
    |
    |
    | > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    | > solution.
    |
    | I don't know about the other groups to which all this was crossposted but
    | in alt.html it's customary to put your replies below the quoted text.
    |
    |
    | > --
    | >
    | > ==============================================
    | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    | > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > ==============================================
    | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | > [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]
    |
    | Second, it's bad nettiquite to have a sig that's longer than 4 lines.
    |
    | Also, you put your sig above the text which you quoted. Another bad
    | idea. When viewing your post, all of the quoted text was marked as part
    | of your signature.
    |


    Tom Pepper Willett Guest

  5. #5

    Default Re: Table row height problems

    [followups trimmed to ciwah]

    In message <eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl> on Monday June 23
    2003 15:39, Thomas A. Rowe wrote:
    > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    > solution.
    Have you run your page through a validator lately? 72 errors, *after*
    specifiying an encoding and doctype manually (iso-8859-1 and HTML 4.01
    Transitional respectively).

    --
    Shawn K. Quinn
    Shawn K. Quinn Guest

  6. #6

    Default Re: [meta] Re: Table row height problems


    "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompeppermvps.org> wrote in message
    news:ubNkj6dODHA.1040TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    <top posting fixed AGAIN
    > "Sam Hughes" <meprivacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:Xns93A3C5C58F0D8samreid130.133.1.4...
    > | "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowemvps.org> wrote in
    > | news:eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
    > |
    > | (quoting fixed)
    > |
    > | > "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > | > news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    > | >> Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    > | >>
    > | >> I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    > | >> edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    > | >> right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    > | >> odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    > | >> except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    > | >> when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    > | >> columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    > | >> large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    > | >> shed any light on this!?
    > | >>
    > | >> The site can be viewed at
    > | >> [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    > | >>
    > | >> I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    > | >> off makes no difference.
    > | >>
    > | >> Many thanks
    > | >> Steve
    > |
    > |
    > | > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    > | > solution.
    > |
    > | I don't know about the other groups to which all this was crossposted
    but
    > | in alt.html it's customary to put your replies below the quoted text.
    > |
    > |
    > | > --
    > | >
    > | > ==============================================
    > | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    > | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    > | > [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    > | > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    > | > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    > | > ==============================================
    > | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    > | > [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]
    > |
    > | Second, it's bad nettiquite to have a sig that's longer than 4 lines.
    > |
    > | Also, you put your sig above the text which you quoted. Another bad
    > | idea. When viewing your post, all of the quoted text was marked as part
    > | of your signature.
    > |
    >
    >
    > Dear Net Nanny Sam:
    >
    > In the FP newsgroups, it's quite appropriate to top post and have sigs the
    > way Mr. Rowe did.
    Cuz FrontPage users can barely tie their shoes, let alone post correctly!
    >Suggest you tell your buddies in the alt groups not to
    > cross-post to MS FP newsgroups if you want your petty rules followed.
    >
    > --
    > -----
    > Tom Pepper Willett
    > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    > -----
    What's wrong, Tommy? Didn't want anyone making fun of the 279 HTML errors
    (per page) generated by your precious FrontPage?


    --
    Karl Core


    EightNineThree Guest

  7. #7

    Default Re: [meta] Re: Table row height problems

    ROFLMAO to the trolls!

    "EightNineThree" <eightninethreeREMOVEeightninethree.com> wrote in message
    news:bd83no$1p0$1ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
    |
    | "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompeppermvps.org> wrote in message
    | news:ubNkj6dODHA.1040TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    | <top posting fixed AGAIN
    | > "Sam Hughes" <meprivacy.net> wrote in message
    | > news:Xns93A3C5C58F0D8samreid130.133.1.4...
    | > | "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowemvps.org> wrote in
    | > | news:eShgaecODHA.2700tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
    | > |
    | > | (quoting fixed)
    | > |
    | > | > "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:370e622b.0306231235.3db34fd9posting.google.c om...
    | > | >> Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    | > | >>
    | > | >> I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    | > | >> edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and
    bottom
    | > | >> right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells
    (sounds
    | > | >> odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    | > | >> except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    | > | >> when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and
    right
    | > | >> columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    | > | >> large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    | > | >> shed any light on this!?
    | > | >>
    | > | >> The site can be viewed at
    | > | >> [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    | > | >>
    | > | >> I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning
    them
    | > | >> off makes no difference.
    | > | >>
    | > | >> Many thanks
    | > | >> Steve
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | > Look at the source of my splash page on my site below on a possible
    | > | > solution.
    | > |
    | > | I don't know about the other groups to which all this was crossposted
    | but
    | > | in alt.html it's customary to put your replies below the quoted text.
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | > --
    | > | >
    | > | > ==============================================
    | > | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > | > [url]http://www.ycoln-resources.com[/url]
    | > | > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > | > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > | > ==============================================
    | > | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | > | > [url]http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp[/url]
    | > |
    | > | Second, it's bad nettiquite to have a sig that's longer than 4 lines.
    | > |
    | > | Also, you put your sig above the text which you quoted. Another bad
    | > | idea. When viewing your post, all of the quoted text was marked as
    part
    | > | of your signature.
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    | > Dear Net Nanny Sam:
    | >
    | > In the FP newsgroups, it's quite appropriate to top post and have sigs
    the
    | > way Mr. Rowe did.
    |
    | Cuz FrontPage users can barely tie their shoes, let alone post correctly!
    |
    | >Suggest you tell your buddies in the alt groups not to
    | > cross-post to MS FP newsgroups if you want your petty rules followed.
    | >
    | > --
    | > -----
    | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > -----
    |
    | What's wrong, Tommy? Didn't want anyone making fun of the 279 HTML errors
    | (per page) generated by your precious FrontPage?
    |
    |
    | --
    | Karl Core
    |
    |


    Tom Pepper Willett Guest

  8. #8

    Default Re: [meta] Re: Table row height problems

    Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
    (quoting fixed again)
    >"Sam Hughes" <meprivacy.net> wrote in message
    >news:Xns93A3C5C58F0D8samreid130.133.1.4...
    >>
    >> I don't know about the other groups to which all this was
    >> crossposted but in alt.html it's customary to put your replies below
    >> the quoted text.
    >>
    >> Second, it's bad nettiquite to have a sig that's longer than 4 lines.
    >>
    >> Also, you put your sig above the text which you quoted. Another bad
    >> idea. When viewing your post, all of the quoted text was marked as part
    >> of your signature.
    >
    > In the FP newsgroups, it's quite appropriate to top post and have
    > sigs the way Mr. Rowe did. Suggest you tell your buddies in the alt
    > groups not to cross-post to MS FP newsgroups if you want your petty
    > rules followed.
    I really don't know why the OP crossposted to so many different groups in
    the first place, but that is beside the point. Apparently any quoting
    style, signature size, etc is deemed appropriate in the FP groups, yes? So
    if we bottom-post and have short signatures, no one minds?

    However, in the HTML newsgroups (and most other places on usenet), it is not
    considered appropriate to post using the method that you do. Hence it is
    you who are in error in posting to these groups, not the other way around.

    We could go into the fact that bottom posting is much more logical than
    top-posting, and the fact that it is the way that it has been done since
    usenet began, but somehow I don't see that it will be much use here, so will
    not waste my time on this any further.

    Good day to you sir.

    --

    Mark Parnell
    [url]http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au[/url]


    Mark Parnell Guest

  9. #9

    Default Re: Table row height problems

    Sorry all, got the filenames wrong!

    Try again:
    [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    stevehayter Guest

  10. #10

    Default Table Row Height Problems

    Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!

    I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    shed any light on this!?

    The site can be viewed at
    [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]

    I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    off makes no difference.

    Many thanks
    Steve
    stevehayter Guest

  11. #11

    Default Re: Table Row Height Problems


    "stevehayter" <stevehayterntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:370e622b.0306270658.7ccd0275posting.google.c om...
    > Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    >
    > I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    > edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    > right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    > odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    > except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    > when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    > columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    > large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    > shed any light on this!?
    >
    > The site can be viewed at
    > [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    >
    > I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    > off makes no difference.
    >
    > Many thanks
    > Steve
    Well, not easy to tell for sure, but here's what I would do:

    - remove all height specifications from cells
    - replace with pixel specifications for height

    That may reveal your problem.

    Next:

    - rebuild the table, and in any case you have an image sized with percentage
    (not always a good idea) replace it with a new table inside the table cell
    with the image as a tiled background and the table itself set to 100% to
    fill the space.

    Failing that, I would get rid of the stripe in the image and use cell bg
    colors for all be the corners.

    Some things just do not plain work in HTML, you might be trying to do one of
    them.


    JabbatheHut Guest

  12. #12

    Default Re: Table Row Height Problems

    [email]stevehayterntlworld.com[/email] (stevehayter) wrote in
    news:370e622b.0306270658.7ccd0275posting.google.c om:
    > Wonder if anyone can help me solve this problem!
    >
    > I have a 3x3 table which i'm using to create a table with a rounded
    > edge using images in the top left, top right, bottom left, and bottom
    > right cells and lines in the top/left/right and bottom cells (sounds
    > odd, you'll see what i mean when you see the site). It works fine,
    > except the top and bottom rows are a lot bigger than i've specified
    > when they should be flush with the centre cell as the left and right
    > columns are. I know it's nothing to do with the graphic being too
    > large because that is the size i have set the height to. Can anyone
    > shed any light on this!?
    >
    > The site can be viewed at
    > [url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hayterfamily/borderprob.html[/url]
    >
    > I have left borders on so you can see the cell layout - turning them
    > off makes no difference.
    When trying to perfectly fit images into table cells, you need to leave
    no space between the <img> tag and the <td> tags. Browsers think that
    you want a space in there.

    For example, one of your table cells, in your source code, used this:

    <td align=right valign=bottom width=6 height=5>
    <img src=./images/corner_red_bottomright.gif>
    </td>

    Instead, it should use this, with spaces between the tags removed:

    <td align=right valign=bottom width=6 height=5><img
    src="./images/corner_red_bottomright.gif"></td>

    Note that I quoted the path to the file name. This is because the
    attribute value included a slash. As the HTML specification says:

    "In certain cases, authors may specify the value of an attribute
    without any quotation marks. The attribute value may only contain
    letters (a-z and A-Z), digits (0-9), hyphens (ASCII decimal 45),
    periods (ASCII decimal 46), underscores (ASCII decimal 95), and
    colons (ASCII decimal 58). We recommend using quotation marks even
    when it is possible to eliminate them."

    [from <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#attributes>,
    read more there.]
    Sam Hughes Guest

  13. #13

    Default Re: Table Row Height Problems

    >
    >Instead, it should use this, with spaces between the tags removed:
    >
    > <td align=right valign=bottom width=6 height=5><img
    > src="./images/corner_red_bottomright.gif"></td>
    >
    >Note that I quoted the path to the file name. This is because the
    >attribute value included a slash. As the HTML specification says:
    >
    > "In certain cases, authors may specify the value of an attribute
    > without any quotation marks. The attribute value may only contain
    > letters (a-z and A-Z), digits (0-9), hyphens (ASCII decimal 45),
    > periods (ASCII decimal 46), underscores (ASCII decimal 95), and
    > colons (ASCII decimal 58). We recommend using quotation marks even
    > when it is possible to eliminate them."
    >
    >[from <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#attributes>,
    >read more there.]
    If you read more about attributes, you will find that, although height
    is a valid attribute for an image, it is NOT a valid attribute for the
    td tag, so you shouldn't use it.

    You should also use alt="" for these corner images, to make sure that
    screenreaders pass over them.

    Paul Taylor
    Paul Taylor Guest

  14. #14

    Default Re: Table Row Height Problems

    On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:05:47 +1000, brucie <brucieloser.brucies.com>
    wrote:
    >In post <h9ltfvcima6k0vedmvuji34qkbolundmhb4ax.com>
    >Stephen Poley said...
    >
    >>>> You should also use alt="" for these corner images, to make sure that
    >>>> screenreaders pass over them.
    >
    >>>that doesn't ensure anything. a screen reader may say "image without
    >>>alt text image name dot PNG". the same with alt=" "
    >
    >> Well it *might*,
    >
    >there is no might. ibm home page reader is one audio browser that
    >*does*
    >
    >> but web-authors surely need not be worried about browsers that are so broken
    >> as that -
    >
    >why is a browser broken if it has the option to identify images
    >without alt text and notify the user?
    The HTML spec says: "User agents must render alternate text when they
    cannot support images, they cannot support a certain image type or when
    they are configured not to display images." So if alt=" " is specified,
    then the correct behaviour is for the browser to render a space. (If alt
    is erroneously omitted, then the behaviour you mention is fairly common
    and quite reasonable.)
    >if the user wants that why cant
    >they have it?
    If the users really want that, of course they can have it. My statement
    was that web-authors should not have to worry about that situation, and
    that statement still stands. (On reflection, perhaps I should withdraw
    the word "broken" and substitute "non-standard").
    >this is just another example of the author thinking they know better
    >than the visitor what they want or should have.
    What point do you actually want to make? You originally said "if you
    want an image ignored don't put it on the page, stick it in as a
    background on something" - but now you seem to be saying that an author
    shouldn't want to do anything of the sort.

    Normally speaking, if an author considers an image decorative, he
    specifies alt="" or alt=" ", and expects text browsers / screen readers
    to render an empty string or space respectively. If however the reader's
    preferred browser behaviour is for it to start playing Chopin's
    Fantaisie-Impromptu every time it encounters an image with alt="", that
    doesn't come under the heading of things an author should worry about.

    --
    Stephen Poley

    [url]http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/[/url]
    Stephen Poley Guest

Similar Threads

  1. jump menu + cfgrid image width height problems
    By cesarmejia in forum Coldfusion Flash Integration
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: February 4th, 01:55 PM
  2. Table Height
    By jojo in forum Macromedia Dynamic HTML
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: June 7th, 02:57 PM
  3. Contribute doesn't let us remove table HEIGHT value thatIT PUT IN
    By aliencosmo in forum Macromedia Contribute General Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: June 7th, 02:53 PM
  4. Why are my rows looking so ugly if table is small (height of each row is streched up)?
    By Evert Wiesenekker in forum ASP.NET Data Grid Control
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: June 1st, 01:20 PM
  5. Using CSS header corrupt table height
    By AndrewJJ webforumsuser@macromedia.com in forum Macromedia Dynamic HTML
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: November 3rd, 11:21 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139