text wraps + bullets

[Brian_M_Dangel@adobeforums.com]

How do you keep bullets from hanging in the margin of a text wrap on an image? The image that has the text wrap will only start to push the text when the wrap hits the letters not the bullet.

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Make the wrap larger where the bullets are. It's a bit of a manual process, but it is the only way to maintain the hanging indent in the presence of a wrap.

Dave

[Nina_Storm@adobeforums.com]

Or put in the bullet manually: "bullet - space - indent to here" - only
if you use optical margin alignment it needs some extra nurse. If you
have to use it very often you might do it as a nested style.

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Regards Nina Storm

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Indent to here prevents the text from following the contour of the wrap.

Dave

[Nina_Storm@adobeforums.com]

Sorry - I keep learning - thanks Dave.

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Regards Nina Storm

[Brian_M_Dangel@adobeforums.com]

thanks for your help. the winner is putting in a manual bullet with 2 non breaking spaces plus an indent to here works for me or just adding a box with another wrap pushing out the bullet text even farther. the work arounds i am aware of but was wondering if anybody knows why indesign ignores bullets when applying text wrap. for instance if you have a paragraph of text than 4 lines of bullets followed by another paragraph of text within the bounds of a text wrap all the text is pushed to the outer edge of the text wrap and the bullets hang. kind of frustrating when you want everything to align left. i love indesign and i am sure there is a button or a check box that i need to click or select somewhere. seems kind of wierd that wraps ignore bullets?

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

It doesn't ignore them. It maintains their hanging indent settings.

If you want to wrap a bulleted list around a circular shape it's the only way to do it.

Dave

[Brian_M_Dangel@adobeforums.com]

Dave, i am not sure you understand. type a couple of lines in a text box, hit return, than type 4 separte lines of text (all with hard returns next to them), make those 4 lines into bullets, after the last bullet type a couple more lines of text. so you should have 2 paragraphs of text with 4 bullets between them. now to the right of the text box create a box greater than the heigt of the text box. give a the box a wrap of, lets say .5". now move the box towards the text box and watch what happens. the text and the bullets no longer are all aligned left. the wrap effects the two paragraphs and the words in the bullets not the bullets themselves. if i am crazy just say so.

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Not only do I clearly understand, I have taken advantage of this feature in a huge culinary arts text books where bulleted lists had to wrap around images of circular plates. It works like a charm.

Wait, which are you talking about? Using the Bullet panel in Paragraph Style Options or just typing the bullets in a hanging indent list? The former is what I'm talking about.

Dave

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Rereading your message, you must be talking about the same as me. Yes, if you want to maintain the same relative indenting compared to adjacent non-hanging-indent paragraphs, you have some fiddling to do. When that happened to me, I simply added points to the text wrap and manually adjusted them to increase the wrap offset next to the bulleted characters. This doesn't work if you use Indent to here.

Dave

[Brian_M_Dangel@adobeforums.com]

got it. just thought Indesign was smart enough to recognize bullets as text. maybe next version??? seems hard to belive that there isn't a simpler way to make a wrap recognize a bullet. oh well. can't win them all just 99.9% of the time.

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

What I would like to see is InDesign automatically adding to the text wrap offset the amount of the hanging indent. But this might be asking a huge amount of the application.

I have been fighting a war with people who want to declare the current behavior to be broken. It is a vital piece of functionality for anyone who needs to bend a list around a circular wrap (or even to just have it return to the left margin in the middle of a paragraph -- indent to here kils that dead).

When I first encountered this behavior, I too thought it a bug, until I started working with those pictures of meals on plates.

Dave

[Brian_M_Dangel@adobeforums.com]

ahhh the meals on plates