To pull or not to pull

[Mark]

I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
or is there little difference in the outcome?


Mark

[Comrade]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0600, Mark wrote:

> I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
> or is there little difference in the outcome?

without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference, at
this point


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see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[Richard Knoppow]

"Mark" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
news:vi0Ta.3659$Fy1.169009@localhost...

> I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this

pulled one stop,

> or is there little difference in the outcome?
>
>
> Mark
>
>

B&W or color negative it will make little difference.
Because of the way ISO speeds are measured for B&W film the
exposure is a minimum. Many find exposing an additional stop
yields better shadow detail.
Development time really affects contrast. While it also
affects effective speed it does so indirectly by varying the
low densities a small amount. No amount of pushing, for
instance, will compensate for severe underexposure, there
just isn't any image recorded. Recucing devlopment for
severe overexposure can make the negagives much easier to
print but higher contrast paper must be used to get the
contrast back up.
Exposure errors for reversal color are more serious
because there is not much range of compensation for the
reversal image. However, adjusting first development of
reversal materials can sometimes give a useable result where
there is an exposure error large enough to be unusable
otherwise.
Again, if this is B&W negative material develop it
normally, the results will be fine.

[zeitgeist]

pulling film can cause far more problems than you are hoping to prevent,

> I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
> or is there little difference in the outcome?
>
>
> Mark
>
>

[Paul Attreides]

In article <pan.2003.07.22.01.27.29.700973@mysolution.ws>, "Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0600, Mark wrote:
>

> > I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
> > or is there little difference in the outcome?

>
> without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference, at
> this point

You really are a goofball.

--
There was a man so wise he jumped into a sandy place
and burnt out both his eyes. And when he knew his eyes were
gone he offered no compliant. He summoned up a vision and made himself a saint.

[Paul Attreides]

If its color negative run it normal
If its Color slide and you bracketed your exposures
a 1/2 stop pull will saturate the colors somewhat at
the top of the bracket. If you did not bracket run it normal.

BW film you could pull half a stop but should only if the
highlights are close to the maximum you could print like Zone
8-9


In article <vi0Ta.3659$Fy1.169009@localhost>, "Mark" <dont@spam.me> wrote:

> I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
> or is there little difference in the outcome?
>
>
> Mark

--
There was a man so wise he jumped into a sandy place
and burnt out both his eyes. And when he knew his eyes were
gone he offered no compliant. He summoned up a vision and made himself a saint.

[Comrade]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:14:53 +0000, Paul Attreides wrote:

> In article <pan.2003.07.22.01.27.29.700973@mysolution.ws>, "Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote:
>

>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0600, Mark wrote:
>>

>> > I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
>> > or is there little difference in the outcome?

>>
>> without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference, at
>> this point

>
> You really are a goofball.

if he didn't consider exposing for pull, it is not a pull situtation,
unless he screwed up the exposure, which he didn't say, so I assumed he
has normal exposures and wants some sort of condolescences that he didn't
expose them differently


--
Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[David Nebenzahl]

On 7/21/2003 9:31 PM Comrade spake thus:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:14:53 +0000, Paul Attreides wrote:
>

>> In article <pan.2003.07.22.01.27.29.700973@mysolution.ws>, "Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote:
>>

>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0600, Mark wrote:
>>>
>>> > I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
>>> > or is there little difference in the outcome?
>>>
>>> without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference, at
>>> this point

>>
>> You really are a goofball.

>
> if he didn't consider exposing for pull, it is not a pull situtation,
> unless he screwed up the exposure, which he didn't say, so I assumed he
> has normal exposures and wants some sort of condolescences that he didn't
> expose them differently

Methinks you're needlessly confusing a simple situation.

As I read the OP's question, he accidently [over]exposed ASA 200 film at 100
(the assumption being that he *correctly* exposed it as if it were ASA 100).
Therefore, it's a perfect candidate for pull processing.

What part of this are you having problems with?

--
We are receiving alerts about a worm that is spreading around the Internet
contained in a .zip archive file. What is surprising to security analysts
is that this worm is spreading at all since it cannot execute without user
intervention. Security analysts believe the rapid spread indicates that
recipients are still opening email attachments even after they have been
warned many times that it is unsafe to do so.

- Description of the "Sobig.E" worm, ca. June 2003

[Paul Attreides]

First and foremost your a goof ball as stated previously,
secondly you all are a bunch of cross posting idiots,...

I am only here to set the record straight.

Third since when does pull processing soley hindge on how
the film was exposed Third learn to spell. Its "elucidate".
Lastly if anyone knows how to pull their PUD its proably
you, you seem to be an expert on that.

Good day.

In article <pan.2003.07.23.00.20.38.869051@mysolution.ws>, "Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:23:40 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote:

> > As I read the OP's question, he accidently [over]exposed

> WRONG, he did not eludidate the exposure at all
> he said he had exposures and asked whether to pull them, and I said he
> should pull his pud instead because he should have thought about pull
> beforehand, and thinking of pull afterwards, is only applicable to
> incorrect exposure, which he did not elucidate
> touche, arrogant ruffian dog
> Comrade

--
There was a man so wise he jumped into a sandy place
and burnt out both his eyes. And when he knew his eyes were
gone he offered no compliant. He summoned up a vision and made himself a saint.

[Serge Kozak]

If it is print film don't even bother at all! If it is slide yes.


"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:3F1DC77C.7080000@but.us.chickens...

> On 7/21/2003 9:31 PM Comrade spake thus:
>

> > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:14:53 +0000, Paul Attreides wrote:
> >

> >> In article <pan.2003.07.22.01.27.29.700973@mysolution.ws>, "Comrade"

<averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote:

> >>
> >>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0600, Mark wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one

stop,

> >>> > or is there little difference in the outcome?
> >>>
> >>> without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference,

at

> >>> this point
> >>
> >> You really are a goofball.

> >
> > if he didn't consider exposing for pull, it is not a pull situtation,
> > unless he screwed up the exposure, which he didn't say, so I assumed he
> > has normal exposures and wants some sort of condolescences that he

didn't

> > expose them differently

>
> Methinks you're needlessly confusing a simple situation.
>
> As I read the OP's question, he accidently [over]exposed ASA 200 film at

100

> (the assumption being that he *correctly* exposed it as if it were ASA

100).

> Therefore, it's a perfect candidate for pull processing.
>
> What part of this are you having problems with?
>
> --
> We are receiving alerts about a worm that is spreading around the Internet
> contained in a .zip archive file. What is surprising to security analysts
> is that this worm is spreading at all since it cannot execute without user
> intervention. Security analysts believe the rapid spread indicates that
> recipients are still opening email attachments even after they have been
> warned many times that it is unsafe to do so.
>
> - Description of the "Sobig.E" worm, ca. June 2003
>

[Comrade]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:53:21 +0000, Paul Attreides wrote:

> Third since when does pull processing soley hindge on how
> the film was exposed

the man did not say he was seeking an abtract art effect, which is the
ONLY time processing is not directly tied to exposure, touche, ruffian dog


--
Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[Peter De Smidt]

"Paul Attreides" <blu-iyzr@arrakis.com> wrote in message
news:blu-iyzr-2207032057420001@pool-151-196-172-51.balt.east.verizon.net...

> First and foremost your a goof ball as stated previously,
> secondly you all are a bunch of cross posting idiots,...
>
> I am only here to set the record straight.
>
> Third since when does pull processing soley hindge on how
> the film was exposed Third learn to spell. Its "elucidate".
> Lastly if anyone knows how to pull their PUD its proably
> you, you seem to be an expert on that.
>
> Good day.
>

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make grammatical
or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
others?

-Peter De Smidt

[Comrade]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:48:03 -0500, Peter De Smidt wrote:

> Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make grammatical
> or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
> others?

establish where I criticized grammer, semantics, or spelling

ruffian dog

--
Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[Peter De Smidt]

"Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.23.02.04.30.985549@mysolution.ws. ..

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:48:03 -0500, Peter De Smidt wrote:
>

> > Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make

grammatical

> > or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
> > others?

>
>
> establish where I criticized grammer, semantics, or spelling
>
> ruffian dog
>

The complete post that you're referring to went as follows:

<original post>
"Paul Attreides" <blu-iyzr@arrakis.com> wrote in message
news:blu-iyzr-2207032057420001@pool-151-196-172-51.balt.east.verizon.net...

> First and foremost your a goof ball as stated previously,
> secondly you all are a bunch of cross posting idiots,...
>
> I am only here to set the record straight.
>
> Third since when does pull processing soley hindge on how
> the film was exposed Third learn to spell. Its "elucidate".
> Lastly if anyone knows how to pull their PUD its proably
> you, you seem to be an expert on that.
>
> Good day.
>

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make grammatical
or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
others?

-Peter De Smidt

<end original post>

Thus, unless you (ruffian dog) are Paul Attreides, I was not addressing my
comments to you. How was this unclear?

-Peter De Smidt

[Comrade]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:08:51 -0500, Peter De Smidt wrote:

> How was this unclear?

matter of proletarian vigilance, I will apologize, but not concede my
justice in such matters until proletarians do not need to be as vigilant

--
Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[Al Denelsbeck]

"Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote in
news:pan.2003.07.23.00.20.38.869051@mysolution.ws:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:23:40 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote:
>

>> As I read the OP's question, he accidently [over]exposed

>
> WRONG, he did not eludidate the exposure at all

He said he shot 200 speed film at 100. That's called an exposure
difference here on planet Earth, to the english-speaking community.

That's two threads where you not only had no idea what you were
talking about, you got arrogant about your ignorance as well. You've got
some good company now, down there...

[Plonk]


- Al.

--
To reply, insert dash in address to match domain below
Online photo gallery at [url]www.wading-in.net[/url]

[Comrade]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:24:58 +0000, Al Denelsbeck wrote:

> He said he shot 200 speed film at 100. That's called an exposure
> difference here on planet Earth, to the english-speaking community.

apolly pologies


--
Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


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[Comrade]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:32:34 -0400, Comrade wrote:

> apolly pologies

now, that is a 1 stop difference

color negative films have PLENTY of over exposure latitutude so it is best
to overexpose some, they haev 3 or more stops over latitude and just a
little under, maybe 1, 2 possibly

so, it all really depends on his lighting and aperture too

but 1 stop over, would even be better than a normal, CERTAINLY if we
weren't dealing with a scene of dynamic range like a wedding dress and
tuxedo situation, and if you pull then, the curves are going to cross all
over the place, no pushable/pullable film, can deliver real good color,
certainly not wedding quality,
push is really a speed getter of old that died with photojournalism digital
and pull is just a resort to save real bad exposures

and I am sure the fine art community will speak up about B&W applications,
etc. .... all of which abstract art is much better done in photoshop, or
even better [url]www.gimp.org[/url], support a BRAVE GNU WORLD

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[url]http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport[/url]
Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES

"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT [url]http://www.mysolution.ws[/url]

[Ken Hart]

"Mark" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
news:vi0Ta.3659$Fy1.169009@localhost...

> I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
> or is there little difference in the outcome?
>
>
> Mark
>

Probably not an issue. If it's (actual, not C-41) B&W, you might consider
it; the contrast will probably be a bit low, otherwise it will probably be a
bit dense to print. If color print, pulling will probably cause more of a
problem with color balance. In either case, I wouldn't sweat one stop. If
it's slide film, you're screwed (sorry!).

Ken Hart

[Gregory W. Blank]

Spoken like someone who shoots little or no slide film. Most slide films at least rate
a half stop less than the rated asa if not a full stop. If he bracketed the exposures he'll
be fine without the pull, at worst case maybe pulling a 1/4 or half stop will
actually decrease contrast and increase the saturation.

In article <bfnjo5$3u9$1@news.chatlink.com>, "Ken Hart" <kwhart@aec.nu> wrote:

> If it's slide film, you're screwed (sorry!).
>
> Ken Hart

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