Ultra 30 noise

[Paul Douglas]

I know there's been a fair bit of comment on this in the past so apologies
for raking over old ground. Usual story: I have a U30, it's quite noisy,
and it gets on my nerves a bit.

The machine was reconditioned by Sun about 2 years ago so it isn't noisy
because of years of use; I presume it's just as noisy as these machines
generally are. I have an Ultra 1 in the same room and that's whisper quiet
by comparison: positively drowned out by the U30. So I was wondering:

Just how much difference does the noise reduction kit make? I've seen
comments ranging from "some" to "not a bit". Has anyone done any objective
measurement? Anyone know where I might get one (in UK)?

Has anyone tried anything else like substituting (so called) quiet fans, or
maybe using a PC noise reduction kit - there seem to be some quite
sophisticated ones around now. Or even just slowing the fans down
permanently: the one for the PCI cards isn't cooling much in mine! I don't
know how hot the creator card gets, but it doesn't have a fan in U1 at all,
not a separate one in U10.

I've toyed with buying a U10 instead on the basis that there's less fans
and it's more likely PC parts could be used. We have U10s at work but only
in rooms with lots of machines in them, so it's hard to guage how much
noise a single one would make. Are they (or at least, can they be) quiter?
And would I notice a performance hit if I did this?

Thanks - Paul

[Gassendi]

Excuse me

I did a mistake

Gassendi

[Anthony Mandic]

Gassendi wrote:

>
> lire

Shouldn't that be "euro" now?

-am © 2003

[Robin KAY]

[email]Cypherpunk@nyc.rr.com[/email] wrote:

> It's pretty funny, the French guy demanding an
> apology from the Italian incoming EU prez for
> saying he would make a good Nazi, but the
> French compared Dubya to Hitler not long ago.

You are mistaken. Berlusconi directed his insult at a German MEP, Martin
Schultz. It had nothing to do with France.

--
Wishing you good fortune,
--Robin Kay-- (komadori)

[Dave Uhring]

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:14:08 +0000, Cypherpun wrote:

> Okay, which country's politician compared Dubya to Hitler?

The same one which has -never- paid a franc of its war debts to the US?

[Gassendi]

Dave Uhring wrote:

>
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:14:08 +0000, Cypherpun wrote:
>

> > Okay, which country's politician compared Dubya to Hitler?

>
> The same one which has -never- paid a franc of its war debts to the
> US?

Oh i not think that a mistake did this in the news :D

[Greg Menke]

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:14:08 +0000, Cypherpun wrote:
>

> > Okay, which country's politician compared Dubya to Hitler?

>
> The same one which has -never- paid a franc of its war debts to the
> US?

OTOH, they did save us twice previously- so perhaps we're even at this
point.

Gregm

[Dave Uhring]

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:58:25 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:

> OTOH, they did save us twice previously- so perhaps we're even at this
> point.

Once.

Paid off in the 1870's. The 10's of thousands of US deaths at Normandy
have never been acknowledged by their politicians except on June 6. Never
mind the other thousands scattered from Chateau Thierry to Belleau Wood
to Metz and Toulon.

[Dave Uhring]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:54:07 +0200, Gassendi wrote:

It may be OT, but the facts of history are still there. You can rewrite
them in your schools' textbooks but that still does not relieve the debts
contracted nor the cemeteries in your nation filled with the bones of US
soldiers.

Had it not been for the sacrifice of those people you would have started
your Usenet article with "Heil, Hitler!"

[Dave Uhring]

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:45:02 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:

> Once
>
> [url]http://www.nv.cc.va.us/home/nvsageh/Hist121/Part2/AmRev1778-81.htm[/url]

Did not check that one. I accept that they helped in the Revolution.

>
> Twice
>
> [url]http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/htf/warof1812.html[/url]

Nothing there about assistance from those people. In fact your point is
contradicted:

French warships began stopping US shipping and thus began a "Quasi-war"
with France.

> [url]http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques-Donatien_Le_Ray[/url]

Contradicts the previous reference and is of such small import as to be
irrelevant.

> Though I'll agree American casualties were far more numerous in WW2
> helping France than theirs when helping us over here.

You don't seem to care that they "agreed" to pay for their salvation and
then refused to pay the debts in two wars. Not only that, in 1958 their
"hero", M. DeGaulle, demanded that we pay for their wines and cheeses in
gold. Needless to say, I do not buy such products.

> Nevertheless,
> without the French, we'd likely be eating stewed tomatoes and beans
> for breakfast and Liking It.

Your diet needs some revision ;-)
Mine was influenced by my Hungarian and German grandmothers.

> The French piss off everyone, which I
> quite respect.

Antagonistic attitudes without the muscle or skill to back up their crap
count for nothing.

[Dave Uhring]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:59:32 +1000, Anthony Mandic wrote:

> Dave Uhring wrote:
>

>> It may be OT, but the facts of history are still there. You can rewrite
>> them in your schools' textbooks but that still does not relieve the debts
>> contracted nor the cemeteries in your nation filled with the bones of US
>> soldiers.

>
> Just the US, huh? That's interesting.

No, not just the US. The contribution and sacrifice of the troops from Oz
were far beyond that which should have been expected of a nation with such
a small population.

The antipathy of the French is currently directed toward the US and Great
Britain, particularly the US, and that is why I mentioned only the graves
of US troops.

>> Had it not been for the sacrifice of those people you would have started
>> your Usenet article with "Heil, Hitler!"

>
> Would it be likely for him to still be alive?

Not if der Fuehrer had his way about it. He would have been replaced by
some "perfect" Aryan, whatever that is.

[Gassendi]

Dave Uhring wrote:

>
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:54:07 +0200, Gassendi wrote:
>
> It may be OT, but the facts of history are still there. You can
> rewrite them in your schools' textbooks but that still does not
> relieve the debts contracted nor the cemeteries in your nation filled
> with the bones of US soldiers.
>
> Had it not been for the sacrifice of those people you would have
> started your Usenet article with "Heil, Hitler!"

Eoh , i did a mistake ok , but i Not insult you .

I am not a politician personn of france , just a student of informatic .
I not choose the situation of my governement and i never said that i
hate Us. I try to speak in english , i not keep in my french .

If u have problem with french governement , send a letter , but not to
me.

Thanks in advance.

Gassendi

[Dave Uhring]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:49:54 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:

> Oooo. Your aggression is soo invigorating- and oh so
> oversimplistic. Blah. I wonder how much our antagonistic attitude
> will cost us in the next 10 years... do you?

The lack of such in the 12 million US soldiers, marines and sailors 60
years ago would have spelled doom for your own freedom.

Perhaps you think we should all lie back and allow our civilization to be
raped by people like Hitler and Stalin.

[Greg Menke]

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:49:54 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:
>

> > Oooo. Your aggression is soo invigorating- and oh so
> > oversimplistic. Blah. I wonder how much our antagonistic attitude
> > will cost us in the next 10 years... do you?

>
> The lack of such in the 12 million US soldiers, marines and sailors 60
> years ago would have spelled doom for your own freedom.
>
> Perhaps you think we should all lie back and allow our civilization to be
> raped by people like Hitler and Stalin.

But we're not talking about Hitler and Stalin here are we? Deadly
force being necessary in one circumstance doesn't make it justified in
different one.

Gregm

[Jay Lessert]

[email]dol@ce.chalmers.se[/email] (Fredrik Lundholm) wrote in message news:<be9q77$od$1@eol.dd.chalmers.se>...

> In article <slrnbggoup.gg.paul@avon.douglasfamily.au.com>,
> Paul Douglas <paul@avon.douglasfamily.au.com> wrote:

> >I know there's been a fair bit of comment on this in the past so apologies
> >for raking over old ground. Usual story: I have a U30, it's quite noisy,
> >and it gets on my nerves a bit.

>
> The most noisy parts in my two reconditioned U30:s were the hard drive,
> you should really replace those awful 4 or 9GB screamers with say a
> recent silent 36 or 18 Gigger.

Agree with Fredrik; at a previous job we had a large group of
extremely noisy U30's and U60's. After playing around with the
one or two that were *not* noisy, it was clear that the culprit
in our case was a run of very, very noisy 9GB Seagate drives.
Amazingly noisy. Sun declined to replace them under warranty
solely for noise complaints, and refused in general to acknowledge
there was a noise problem. Several of these drives suffered
mysterious sudden severe failures. :-) At the time, you had
about a 50% chance of the replacement drive being quiet.

Other users coped by erecting small walls of open-cell packing
foam in front of the machines (good high-frequency attenuation).

-Jay-

[Greg Menke]

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:02:41 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:
>

> > But we're not talking about Hitler and Stalin here are we?

>
> No, you were dissing aggression in people who would defend liberty not
> only for themselves but for others.

In your mind perhaps. I have no issues at all with aggression in
defence of liberty, BUT, the justification must be there.

> > Deadly
> > force being necessary in one circumstance doesn't make it justified in
> > different one.

>
> And just which "different one" would you prefer? The one in which your
> neighbor is sent to a concentration camp, gulag, gas chamber, or killing
> field, or the one where -you- are sent off?

I'd like to see the justification for us sending our military into
Iraq. So far the immediate or even plausible threat to national
security hasn't shown up. OTOH, there was plenty of justification for
us getting involved in WW2- and in Afganistan.

> This also is too much "Ultra 30 noise" and it's time to silence it.

Agreed.

Gregm

[Dave Uhring]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:51:51 -0400, Greg Menke wrote:

> I'd like to see the justification for us sending our military into
> Iraq.

You don't believe our unelected President?

> So far the immediate or even plausible threat to national
> security hasn't shown up. OTOH, there was plenty of justification for
> us getting involved in WW2- and in Afganistan.

Pearl Harbor was a rather spectacular cause. The attack on the USS Panay
some 4 1/2 years earlier would have been sufficient. Israel's attack on
the USS Liberty should have been just cause for war, too.

[Dragan Cvetkovic]

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> Pearl Harbor was a rather spectacular cause. The attack on the USS Panay
> some 4 1/2 years earlier would have been sufficient. Israel's attack on
> the USS Liberty should have been just cause for war, too.
>

Did they attack USS Liberty because Ultra 30 used by it were too noisy?

Bye, Dragan

--
Dragan Cvetkovic,

To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer

[Dave Uhring]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:36:41 -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:

> Did they attack USS Liberty because Ultra 30 used by it were too noisy?

One hardly knows, and the topic is entirely OT, isn't it?

Yet real wars have been started on less provocation.

[Dragan Cvetkovic]

Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:36:41 -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>

> > Did they attack USS Liberty because Ultra 30 used by it were too noisy?

>
> One hardly knows, and the topic is entirely OT, isn't it?

My sentiment as well.

Bye, Dragan

--
Dragan Cvetkovic,

To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer