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I have been doing unix admin for a number of years, and almost all of it with hpux. Every time I look for a unix job, I end up with yet more hpux. However, I've been unable to find a Solaris admin position, because even though I know it, I don't have as much experience on paper. The market these days is such that if you don't have x number of years in production environment, they won't even talk to you, whether it's unix or java or DBA or whatnot. Now the dilemma is, I found a solaris gig (and ...

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    I have been doing unix admin for a number of years, and almost all of it with
    hpux.

    Every time I look for a unix job, I end up with yet more hpux. However, I've
    been unable to find a Solaris admin position, because even though I know it, I
    don't have as much experience on paper. The market these days is such that if
    you don't have x number of years in production environment, they won't even
    talk to you, whether it's unix or java or DBA or whatnot.

    Now the dilemma is, I found a solaris gig (and only because it had some hp in
    it) for about 10K less than what I am making now. So I wonder if I should keep
    working with hp-ux (and professionally cut myself out from Solaris, AIX,
    etc. flavors) or take a pay cut to advance my career in a one step back, 2
    steps forward way.

    Searching on a popular IT jobs site, Solaris systems admin gets substantially
    more hits than hpux admin. I don't care which unix is better, I am only
    interested in its jobs viability and how much is in production environment and
    the current trends. Sun seems to be real popular with web farms and more,
    while HP is big with medical and insurance and banking companies. I don't want
    to become obsolete like the mainframe people.


    Anonymous Guest

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    Anonymous wrote: 

    HP doesn't seem particularly committed to HP-UX, and it seems to be
    losing market share.

    I'd take the pay cut... not that I like Solaris :)
    base60 Guest

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    Anonymous wrote:
     

    What about getting Sun Certified System Administration for the Solaris
    Operating System?

    http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-200.xml

    ---
    Cezary Morga
    Cezary Guest

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    > From: Anonymous <paranoici.org> 
     

    On-the-job production experience isn't all that counts. Knowledge
    and experience are important. If you want to add Solaris to your
    skill set, study it, and study it well. Practice to the extent
    feasible.

    The more clueful employers will pay ample attention to knowledge and
    demonstrated/demonstrable ability, and will also pay attention to
    factors such as interest, drive, demonstrated rates and competency at
    gaining new skills, and will not overemphasize N number of years of
    (production or specific industry) experience with specific flavor and
    version X.

    Solaris x86 isn't exactly a high budget item to learn with.

    Older SPARC hardware may be available at little to no cost.

    There are Solaris related newsgroups and e-mail lists. Read them,
    and learn the answers to the questions, including the more/most
    challenging ones. Make reasonable and appropriate attempts to answer
    the questions, and respectfully learn from anything you fail to
    answer to everyone's full and complete satisfaction.

    Sun provides lots available doentation on-line.

    If one does some research and checking, one may find volunteer
    Solaris opportunities - including remote administration and/or
    assistance opportunities.

    Many community colleges (e.g. in the US) offer some type(s) of UNIX
    systems administration training and/or certification(s), and in many
    cases their courses use or are primarily based upon Solaris - many of
    them also offer night/weekend/evening course schedules to accommodate
    those with typical day shift time obligations (e.g. work or family).

    Sun offers training/certification.

    Maybe that potential Solaris gig wouldn't be offering around 10K less
    if one showed substantial demonstrable knowledge, initiative, etc.
    with Solaris. Perhaps it would only be 5K or 2K less ... for
    starters, ... and maybe 2 or 5 or 10K *more* within a year or two
    with continued growth, hands-on, and demonstrated experience and
    performance.

    references:
    http://docs.sun.com/
    http://www.sun.com/training/
    http://www.science.uva.nl/pub/solaris/solaris2.html
    http://www.sunmanagers.org/
    http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?q=solaris+OR+sunos+OR+sun+-solar&sel=&qt_d=Directory+Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Awww.volunteermatch.org+s olaris+OR+sunos&btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22community+college%22+solaris +OR+sunos+-site%3Asun.com&btnG=Search

    Michael Guest

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    On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:53 +0200, Cezary Morga <pl> wrote: 

    What will certification do you that years of experience won't? I always
    saw the sun cert classes as strictly a revenue enhancement mechanism for
    Sun Training Corp.

    Dave Guest

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    Dave Hinz wrote: 
    >
    > What will certification do you that years of experience won't? I always
    > saw the sun cert classes as strictly a revenue enhancement mechanism for
    > Sun Training Corp.[/ref]

    The topic is breaking from one vendor to another. This is one
    way I suspect certs have value. Experience in HPUX could be
    general UNIX experience or it could be insect specializtion
    where the worker actually thinks the differences are non-trivial.
    Plus s/worker/interviewer/ above.

    Taking a Solaris cert demonstrates that his HPUX experience
    is understood enough to map. And thus that his HPUX
    experience maps as Solaris experience as well.

    A sufficiently stupid interviewer won't see it that way, but do
    you want to work for such a company since interviewing works
    both ways? A middle skilled interviewer will see the value in
    the cert. A highly skilled interviewer will see the pattern,
    understand the cert is there to demonstrate the mapping, and
    do his own questioning to see if the skills are there.

    Far better to generalize early in your career so you don't have
    to face a paycut to generalize, but that's water under the bridge.
    Whether it's worth a pay cut to generalize now, that's not
    something I'm qualified to judge. But understnad that a pay
    cut can happen for tons of reasons. My recent one was going
    from 100% travel to 10% travel.

    Doug Guest

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    On 17 Apr 2006 09:30:56 -0700, Doug Freyburger <com> wrote: 
     
    >
    > The topic is breaking from one vendor to another. This is one
    > way I suspect certs have value. Experience in HPUX could be
    > general UNIX experience or it could be insect specializtion
    > where the worker actually thinks the differences are non-trivial.
    > Plus s/worker/interviewer/ above.[/ref]

    Well, there are classes for "Solaris for experienced Unix admins" and
    "HP/UX for experienced Unix admins" courses - maybe that'd be a good
    thing for the OP to look into.
     

    Well, the Solaris cert process is more than a few courses, and a
    non-trivial expense.
     

    It's all about getting to the right person, isn't it. HR droids (no
    offense to any HR droids out there, but your specialty isn't my
    specialty, and vice-versa) don't know that if you know a few, adding one
    more Unix is trivial. But unless you have the right keywords, they
    won't forward your resume to the person who _does_ know that. Not
    saying I have the answer, but maybe those "for experienced admins"
    classes are part of it. The HP-UX one was very good. They didn't teach
    us vi, didn't explain what root was, dind't start from scratch, he went
    around the room, we averaged 10-15 years of Unix experience, and worked
    on either Solaris or Aix. So his class was tailored for the differences
    and similarities of those three.
     

    If you're asked salary history, just be prepared to explain in a
    satisfactory way why you chose to take a pay cut. I would see
    "broadening my experience" to be a good reason - the travel thing is
    another one. Not sure what a bad reason would be but I'm sure there are
    some "wrong" answers on that one.


    Dave Guest

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    Dave Hinz wrote: 
    > [/ref]

    >
    > Well, there are classes for "Solaris for experienced Unix admins" and
    > "HP/UX for experienced Unix admins" courses - maybe that'd be a good
    > thing for the OP to look into.[/ref]

    Agreed.
     
    >
    > Well, the Solaris cert process is more than a few courses, and a
    > non-trivial expense.[/ref]

    Hmmm. I was thinking in terms of book work to prepare
    for the tests not class work. Doing it through class work
    the "For experienced Admins" would be more content for
    the money.
     
    >
    > It's all about getting to the right person, isn't it. HR droids (no
    > offense to any HR droids out there, but your specialty isn't my
    > specialty, and vice-versa) don't know that if you know a few, adding one
    > more Unix is trivial. But unless you have the right keywords, they
    > won't forward your resume to the person who _does_ know that. Not
    > saying I have the answer, but maybe those "for experienced admins"
    > classes are part of it. The HP-UX one was very good. They didn't teach
    > us vi, didn't explain what root was, dind't start from scratch, he went
    > around the room, we averaged 10-15 years of Unix experience, and worked
    > on either Solaris or Aix. So his class was tailored for the differences
    > and similarities of those three.[/ref]

    I was an instructor for Tru-64 courses a few times. Fun stuff
    and a nice diversion after some big data center migrations.
    Anyways, one of the times I was presented with a class filled
    with experienced VMS admins with that level of experience.
    I explained my ancient VMS v3/4 experience and did my best
    to present the material in a way that a VMS admin should
    understand. Drawing diagrams of how command lines are
    processed differently really turned on the lights in a few of
    the students.
     
    >
    > If you're asked salary history, just be prepared to explain in a
    > satisfactory way why you chose to take a pay cut. I would see
    > "broadening my experience" to be a good reason - the travel thing is
    > another one. Not sure what a bad reason would be but I'm sure there are
    > some "wrong" answers on that one.[/ref]

    Another reason is if you're already at the point where the cut
    still puts you near the top of the range. Then what matters is
    why you left not why your pay changed. Not the usual deal
    for folks new to the field, but I've been in that situation as well.

    "The market s and you're the only folks hiring" isn't a
    wrong answer from the interviewer's viewpoint but it is from the
    applicant's viewpoint. Wrongness is relative.

    Doug Guest

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