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    Clive Skingle wrote:

    -snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-

    So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?

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    Els

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    [email]zola@invalid.org[/email] wrote:
    > Els wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Clive Skingle wrote:
    >>
    >>-snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    >>
    >>So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    >
    > He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few
    And another fisherman (woman) is doing the same in alt.html :-(

    --
    Els

    Mente humana é como pára-quedas; funciona melhor aberta.

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    In news:bkhg7v$r9t$8@reader1.tiscali.nl, Els deftly typed:
    > [email]zola@invalid.org[/email] wrote:
    >
    >> Els wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Clive Skingle wrote:
    >>>
    >>> -snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    >>>
    >>> So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    >>
    >> He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few
    >
    > And another fisherman (woman) is doing the same in alt.html :-(
    Theses peoples might not even be aware that their machine is sending
    this.

    --
    Martin.
    "The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
    T.H.Huxley


    MCL Guest

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    This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about 90
    of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly or
    even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.

    Phil Weldon, [email]pweldon@mindspring.com[/email]

    <zola@invalid.org> wrote in message
    news:1ufomv8neh8a278tkru0da7eikkavfk3rk@4ax.com...
    > Els wrote:
    >
    > >Clive Skingle wrote:
    > >
    > >-snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    > >
    > >So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    >
    >
    > He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few

    Phil Weldon Guest

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    "Els" <els.aNOSPAM@PLEASEtiscali.nl.invalid> wrote in message
    news:bkhg7v$r9t$8@reader1.tiscali.nl...
    > [email]zola@invalid.org[/email] wrote:
    >
    > > Els wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Clive Skingle wrote:
    > >>
    > >>-snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    > >>
    > >>So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    > >
    > > He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few
    >
    > And another fisherman (woman) is doing the same in alt.html :-(

    They are all over the place.... the fucking scumbags.

    > Mente humana é como pára-quedas; funciona melhor aberta.
    >

    Jay Michaels Guest

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    yeah i have had about 80 in the last 24 hours

    "Phil Weldon" <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:e9Yab.45248$Aq2.25331@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
    > This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    > going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about 90
    > of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    > getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly or
    > even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    >
    > Phil Weldon, [email]pweldon@mindspring.com[/email]
    >
    > <zola@invalid.org> wrote in message
    > news:1ufomv8neh8a278tkru0da7eikkavfk3rk@4ax.com...
    > > Els wrote:
    > >
    > > >Clive Skingle wrote:
    > > >
    > > >-snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    > > >
    > > >So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    > >
    > >
    > > He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few
    >
    >

    Peter McDonald Guest

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    MCL wrote:
    > In news:bkhg7v$r9t$8@reader1.tiscali.nl, Els deftly typed:
    >
    >>zola@invalid.org wrote:
    >>
    >>>Els wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Clive Skingle wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>-snip posting with .exe file attached, "from Microsoft"-
    >>>>
    >>>>So, are you stupid, or do you think we are?
    >>>
    >>>He's fishing for idiots. And, sadly, he'll find quite a few
    >>
    >>And another fisherman (woman) is doing the same in alt.html :-(
    >
    > Theses peoples might not even be aware that their machine is sending
    > this.
    It probably isn't even their machine that's sending it, some
    machine somewhere is using their address as the from address.

    --
    Els

    Mente humana é como pára-quedas; funciona melhor aberta.

    Els Guest

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    On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:07 +0100, "Peter McDonald"
    <filth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    >yeah i have had about 80 in the last 24 hours
    Pfft ... I just recovered from a spammer using my demon domain as his
    "from" address (again!). I was getting around 2 bounces a second at
    it's peak, fortunately all to non-existent mailboxes so once I
    realised what was happening I could filter them without too much
    trouble, but it was still a pain.

    --
    Derek Sorensen
    [url]http://goldcrossdata.co.uk[/url]
    Derek Sorensen Guest

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    On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:07 +0100, "Peter McDonald"
    <filth@blueyonder.co.uk> waffled on about something:
    >yeah i have had about 80 in the last 24 hours
    Best way to avoid it is to never quote your true email address in a
    usenet post... I never have... If anyone wants it they can have it,
    but I'd scatter "removethis" and "skipthis" all the way through it.

    Probably why I have never received this worm, or seen sobig-f come to
    think of it....

    D0d6y.
    --
    MUSHROOMS ARE THE OPIATE OF THE MOOSES
    Dodgy Guest

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    That's no protection. This worm is harvesting email address from address
    books. If anyone has an infected system and has your email address on their
    system you will eventually be flooded with these bogus and infected emails.
    PtoP filesharing networks are also being harvested for email addresses.
    Prior to this week I got an average of 5 infected e-mails per week. From
    midnight to midnight EDT (USA Eastern Daylight savings Time) 20SEP03 I
    received 1382 infected e-mails generated by this worm.

    Fill Weldon, [email]fweldon@mindspring.com[/email]
    [Changed my sig from the obvious and set up a new mailbox to see if it
    attracts anything.

    "Dodgy" <Dodgy@earth.planet.universe> wrote in message
    news:rkvpmv0qiem631divgg4v8k1b51qcnkg90@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:07 +0100, "Peter McDonald"
    > <filth@blueyonder.co.uk> waffled on about something:
    >
    > >yeah i have had about 80 in the last 24 hours
    >
    > Best way to avoid it is to never quote your true email address in a
    > usenet post... I never have... If anyone wants it they can have it,
    > but I'd scatter "removethis" and "skipthis" all the way through it.
    >
    > Probably why I have never received this worm, or seen sobig-f come to
    > think of it....
    >
    > D0d6y.
    > --
    > MUSHROOMS ARE THE OPIATE OF THE MOOSES

    Phil Weldon Guest

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    Default Re: Re: Watch this critical update from the M$

    On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:46 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    >This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    >going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about 90
    >of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    >getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly or
    >even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    I don't know the answer to ending this attack, but I also get enough
    of these emails to choke my mailbox in a couple hours. I just hope it
    doesn't get any worse. It looks like I will have to change my email
    address, because this continues with no end in sight.

    Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what the
    difference is, but if an address has been in use for a long time, like
    mine, 3 years, then I think more of these emails would show up.

    Maybe the answer is to change your address every few months, or when
    the spam builds to too high a lever. Filtering this stuff is not the
    answer. I tried but got tired of it and anyway your mail box will
    still be full.


    Jim Davis
    Nature Photography
    [url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    Jim Davis Guest

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    Default Microsoft Worms deleting themselves

    JD> Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what
    JD> the difference is, [...]

    One possibility is that your friends are actually infected with this
    particular Microsoft Worm. One of the actions that it takes (which isn't
    documented in the analyses performed by F-Secure or Sophos, but which was
    recently mentioned in "comp.mail.misc") is to connect to the user's POP3
    server, issue a "TOP" command against every message in the mailbox to retrieve
    its header and the first 30 lines of its body, and issue a "DELE" command to
    delete any messages that it detects to be copies of itself. The consequence
    of this would be that someone running Microsoft Windows and infected with this
    Microsoft Worm would see fewer copies of it in their POP3 mailbox, as the worm
    itself would be busy deleting them.
    Jonathan de Boyne Pollard Guest

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    The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at the
    POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to the
    receiver (which still clogs the mailbox) OR the supposed sender e-mail
    addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    infected machines and networks.)

    Changing e-mail addresses is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. It would cripple
    the future of the internet as a communication network. Individual solutions
    won't work, only a collective solution will. Failing an adequate response
    by ISP's, I'll go with the first e-mail provider that institutes scan and
    discard, be that hotmail or whatever. I'll even pay for such premium
    service, and look with favor on any ISP that unbundles packaged services so
    I can choose the services that meet my requirements. I'll also look with
    favor on any class actions filled on the basis of an ISP failing to provide
    implicitly contracted services (i.e., reliable mail service.)

    My current situation:

    My machines are NOT infected, and have NEVER been infected.
    I keep my security up-to-date.
    I don't send infected e-mail.

    My ISP is loading over 1500 infected e-mail messages into my mailbox each
    day.


    "Jim Davis" <spammenot@someip.jp> wrote in message
    news:ndp1nvkmlon2gfjhbevtgmdan1fqjmi8f3@nwall.odn. ne.jp...
    > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:46 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    > <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    >
    > >This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    > >going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about
    90
    > >of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    > >getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly
    or
    > >even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    >
    > I don't know the answer to ending this attack, but I also get enough
    > of these emails to choke my mailbox in a couple hours. I just hope it
    > doesn't get any worse. It looks like I will have to change my email
    > address, because this continues with no end in sight.
    >
    > Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what the
    > difference is, but if an address has been in use for a long time, like
    > mine, 3 years, then I think more of these emails would show up.
    >
    > Maybe the answer is to change your address every few months, or when
    > the spam builds to too high a lever. Filtering this stuff is not the
    > answer. I tried but got tired of it and anyway your mail box will
    > still be full.
    >
    >
    > Jim Davis
    > Nature Photography
    > [url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]

    Phil Weldon Guest

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    Phil Weldon wrote:
    > The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at the
    > POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to the
    > receiver (which still clogs the mailbox) OR the supposed sender e-mail
    > addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    > infected machines and networks.)
    Disagree. I got hit real bad by this one, but I fixed it without needing
    any help from my ISP.

    Mailboxes were filling up in less than an hour, so obviously there was
    little I could do on the client side.

    I went to my ISP's admin pages, but there were no server side mail
    filters available. I understand some ISPs offer mail filters, but most
    only allow redirection to a folder, which doesn't solve the 'mailbox
    full' problem - but AFAIK they all have a redirect option.

    My solution - redirect all mail to a webmail account that has 'delete
    message' as a filter option. Configure the filters to delete any message
    which has 'run attached file' or 'undelivered' or 'undeliverable' in the
    body. Problem solved - filters have dropped about 2100 swen mails in the
    last 24 hours, all other mail (big dick/blue pill spam included,
    unfortunately) is received as usual.
    > Changing e-mail addresses is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. It would cripple
    > the future of the internet as a communication network. Individual solutions
    > won't work, only a collective solution will. Failing an adequate response
    > by ISP's, I'll go with the first e-mail provider that institutes scan and
    > discard, be that hotmail or whatever. I'll even pay for such premium
    > service, and look with favor on any ISP that unbundles packaged services so
    > I can choose the services that meet my requirements. I'll also look with
    > favor on any class actions filled on the basis of an ISP failing to provide
    > implicitly contracted services (i.e., reliable mail service.)
    >
    > My current situation:
    >
    > My machines are NOT infected, and have NEVER been infected.
    > I keep my security up-to-date.
    > I don't send infected e-mail.
    >
    > My ISP is loading over 1500 infected e-mail messages into my mailbox each
    > day.
    >
    >
    > "Jim Davis" <spammenot@someip.jp> wrote in message
    > news:ndp1nvkmlon2gfjhbevtgmdan1fqjmi8f3@nwall.odn. ne.jp...
    >
    >>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:46 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    >><pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    >>
    >>
    >>>This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    >>>going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about
    >
    > 90
    >
    >>>of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    >>>getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly
    >
    > or
    >
    >>>even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    >>
    >>I don't know the answer to ending this attack, but I also get enough
    >>of these emails to choke my mailbox in a couple hours. I just hope it
    >>doesn't get any worse. It looks like I will have to change my email
    >>address, because this continues with no end in sight.
    >>
    >>Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what the
    >>difference is, but if an address has been in use for a long time, like
    >>mine, 3 years, then I think more of these emails would show up.
    >>
    >>Maybe the answer is to change your address every few months, or when
    >>the spam builds to too high a lever. Filtering this stuff is not the
    >>answer. I tried but got tired of it and anyway your mail box will
    >>still be full.
    >>
    >>
    >>Jim Davis
    >>Nature Photography
    >>[url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    >
    >
    >
    Triffid Guest

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    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:39:57 -0400, Triffid <triffid@nebula.net>
    wrote/replied to:
    >My solution - redirect all mail to a webmail account that has 'delete
    >message' as a filter option. Configure the filters to delete any message
    >which has 'run attached file' or 'undelivered' or 'undeliverable' in the
    >body. Problem solved - filters have dropped about 2100 swen mails in the
    >last 24 hours, all other mail (big dick/blue pill spam included,
    >unfortunately) is received as usual.
    I don't get it. If you have everything redirected to another webmail
    account, don't you have to go online and retreive that mail for the
    delete filters to work? I have filters, but they only work on my
    retreiving the mail and don't help with my box filling up.

    I hope the ISPs do something about this quick, this is really a denial
    of service at it's very worst. This is the first time I can ever
    remember something so terrible happening on the net. This really
    sucks.


    Jim Davis
    Nature Photography
    [url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    Jim Davis Guest

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Watch this critical update from the M$

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:11:58 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    >My current situation:
    >
    >My machines are NOT infected, and have NEVER been infected.
    >I keep my security up-to-date.
    >I don't send infected e-mail.
    >
    >My ISP is loading over 1500 infected e-mail messages into my mailbox each
    >day.
    EXactly my situation. I don't have it, never did have it but I'm
    getting a box full too often to mention.

    I would pay extra for a text only email service. No attachments, no
    html, just text. That's all I really want and care about anyway. This
    would stop the entire nonsense. It's time to return to the roots. All
    this fancy crap does to email is make it look like fancy crap anyway.



    Jim Davis
    Nature Photography
    [url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    Jim Davis Guest

  17. #17

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    You are getting very good results from your rules. Unfotunately, those
    three rules would cut my flood of infected e-mail by less than 50%.

    'Run attached file' would get ~ 33%

    However, on looking over my recent infected e-mail messages, including a
    rule to delete e-mail containing just about every for of deliver would catch
    just about all of the rest of the infected e-mail... at this moment, for as
    long as the body of the message (other than the e-mail addresses) don't
    mutate. It seems the worm can retrieve additional content material. And
    then there is the NEXT worm.

    'deliver'
    'deliverable'
    'delivered'
    'undelivered'
    'undeliverable'.

    Plus

    'Run attached file'
    will catch all, I think, of the infected e-mail generated.

    Now comes the next phase. The volume of E-mail of the type 'you sent an
    infected e-mail' and of the type 'an infected e-mail was sent to you' is
    increasing rapidly. These messages originate from orginazations that scan
    e-mail and notify the receipient and purported sender of the event. Of
    course the infected e-mail generated by the worm has receipient address that
    are harvested from infected systems and networks and sender addresses that
    are either bogus or harvested from infected systems and networks. Not all
    of these messages contain the body of the infected e-mail message.



    Phil Weldon, [email]pweldon@mindspring.com[/email]

    "Triffid" <triffid@nebula.net> wrote in message
    news:ee9cb.5982$yD1.931405@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
    >
    >
    > Phil Weldon wrote:
    >
    > > The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at
    the
    > > POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to
    the
    > > receiver (which still clogs the mailbox) OR the supposed sender e-mail
    > > addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    > > infected machines and networks.)
    >
    > Disagree. I got hit real bad by this one, but I fixed it without needing
    > any help from my ISP.
    >
    > Mailboxes were filling up in less than an hour, so obviously there was
    > little I could do on the client side.
    >
    > I went to my ISP's admin pages, but there were no server side mail
    > filters available. I understand some ISPs offer mail filters, but most
    > only allow redirection to a folder, which doesn't solve the 'mailbox
    > full' problem - but AFAIK they all have a redirect option.
    >
    > My solution - redirect all mail to a webmail account that has 'delete
    > message' as a filter option. Configure the filters to delete any message
    > which has 'run attached file' or 'undelivered' or 'undeliverable' in the
    > body. Problem solved - filters have dropped about 2100 swen mails in the
    > last 24 hours, all other mail (big dick/blue pill spam included,
    > unfortunately) is received as usual.
    >

    Phil Weldon Guest

  18. #18

    Default Re: Re: Watch this critical update from the M$

    The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at the
    > POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to the
    > receiver (which still clogs the mailbox)


    as earthlink has done perfectly.....never got a SINGLE one

    "Phil Weldon" <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:2Y7cb.3876$ai7.1002@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
    > OR the supposed sender e-mail
    > addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    > infected machines and networks.)
    >
    > Changing e-mail addresses is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. It would cripple
    > the future of the internet as a communication network. Individual solutions
    > won't work, only a collective solution will. Failing an adequate response
    > by ISP's, I'll go with the first e-mail provider that institutes scan and
    > discard, be that hotmail or whatever. I'll even pay for such premium
    > service, and look with favor on any ISP that unbundles packaged services so
    > I can choose the services that meet my requirements. I'll also look with
    > favor on any class actions filled on the basis of an ISP failing to provide
    > implicitly contracted services (i.e., reliable mail service.)
    >
    > My current situation:
    >
    > My machines are NOT infected, and have NEVER been infected.
    > I keep my security up-to-date.
    > I don't send infected e-mail.
    >
    > My ISP is loading over 1500 infected e-mail messages into my mailbox each
    > day.
    >
    >
    > "Jim Davis" <spammenot@someip.jp> wrote in message
    > news:ndp1nvkmlon2gfjhbevtgmdan1fqjmi8f3@nwall.odn. ne.jp...
    > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:46 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    > > <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    > >
    > > >This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    > > >going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about
    > 90
    > > >of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    > > >getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly
    > or
    > > >even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    > >
    > > I don't know the answer to ending this attack, but I also get enough
    > > of these emails to choke my mailbox in a couple hours. I just hope it
    > > doesn't get any worse. It looks like I will have to change my email
    > > address, because this continues with no end in sight.
    > >
    > > Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what the
    > > difference is, but if an address has been in use for a long time, like
    > > mine, 3 years, then I think more of these emails would show up.
    > >
    > > Maybe the answer is to change your address every few months, or when
    > > the spam builds to too high a lever. Filtering this stuff is not the
    > > answer. I tried but got tired of it and anyway your mail box will
    > > still be full.
    > >
    > >
    > > Jim Davis
    > > Nature Photography
    > > [url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    >
    >

    JAD Guest

  19. #19

    Default Re: Watch this critical update from the M$

    JAD wrote:
    > The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at the
    >
    >>POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to the
    >>receiver (which still clogs the mailbox)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > as earthlink has done perfectly.....never got a SINGLE one
    >
    It wasn't Earthlink! I get about 100 of these a day beyond those
    stopped by Spaminator. Because of this I will probably switch to
    Worldnet as they advertise that they scan all e-mail for viruses.

    > "Phil Weldon" <pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:2Y7cb.3876$ai7.1002@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
    >
    >>OR the supposed sender e-mail
    >>addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    >>infected machines and networks.)
    >>
    >>Changing e-mail addresses is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. It would cripple
    >>the future of the internet as a communication network. Individual solutions
    >>won't work, only a collective solution will. Failing an adequate response
    >>by ISP's, I'll go with the first e-mail provider that institutes scan and
    >>discard, be that hotmail or whatever. I'll even pay for such premium
    >>service, and look with favor on any ISP that unbundles packaged services so
    >>I can choose the services that meet my requirements. I'll also look with
    >>favor on any class actions filled on the basis of an ISP failing to provide
    >>implicitly contracted services (i.e., reliable mail service.)
    >>
    >>My current situation:
    >>
    >>My machines are NOT infected, and have NEVER been infected.
    >>I keep my security up-to-date.
    >>I don't send infected e-mail.
    >>
    >>My ISP is loading over 1500 infected e-mail messages into my mailbox each
    >>day.
    >>
    >>
    >>"Jim Davis" <spammenot@someip.jp> wrote in message
    >>news:ndp1nvkmlon2gfjhbevtgmdan1fqjmi8f3@nwall.od n.ne.jp...
    >>
    >>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:57:46 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
    >>><pweldon@mindspring.com> wrote/replied to:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>This post is from the worm. Worm.Automat.AGH has an SMPT engine and is
    >>>>going after usenet newsgroups. This is a bad one. It only takes about
    >>
    >>90
    >>
    >>>>of these infected e-mails to fill up a 10 MByte mailbox... if you start
    >>>>getting these infected e-mails you'll have to empty your mailbox hourly
    >>
    >>or
    >>
    >>>>even more often just to keep legitimate e-mail from bouncing.
    >>>
    >>>I don't know the answer to ending this attack, but I also get enough
    >>>of these emails to choke my mailbox in a couple hours. I just hope it
    >>>doesn't get any worse. It looks like I will have to change my email
    >>>address, because this continues with no end in sight.
    >>>
    >>>Some friends are NOT getting these so bad, I'm not sure what the
    >>>difference is, but if an address has been in use for a long time, like
    >>>mine, 3 years, then I think more of these emails would show up.
    >>>
    >>>Maybe the answer is to change your address every few months, or when
    >>>the spam builds to too high a lever. Filtering this stuff is not the
    >>>answer. I tried but got tired of it and anyway your mail box will
    >>>still be full.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Jim Davis
    >>>Nature Photography
    >>>[url]http://www.kjsl.com/~jbdavis/[/url]
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    Michael W Ryder Guest

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    Default Re: Watch this critical update from the M$



    Phil Weldon wrote:
    > You are getting very good results from your rules. Unfotunately, those
    > three rules would cut my flood of infected e-mail by less than 50%.
    >
    > 'Run attached file' would get ~ 33%
    >
    > However, on looking over my recent infected e-mail messages, including a
    > rule to delete e-mail containing just about every for of deliver would catch
    > just about all of the rest of the infected e-mail... at this moment, for as
    > long as the body of the message (other than the e-mail addresses) don't
    > mutate. It seems the worm can retrieve additional content material. And
    > then there is the NEXT worm.
    >
    > 'deliver'
    > 'deliverable'
    > 'delivered'
    > 'undelivered'
    > 'undeliverable'.
    >
    > Plus
    >
    > 'Run attached file'
    > will catch all, I think, of the infected e-mail generated.
    My *exact* ruleset, which has not allowed a single infected email
    through in the last 48 hours, is:

    Header does not contain <my_mail_address>
    OR
    Body contains 'Run attached file'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undelivered to'
    OR
    Body contains 'deliver your message'
    OR
    Body contains 'not be delivered'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undelivered message'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undeliverable message'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undeliverable mail'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undelivered mail'
    OR
    Body contains 'Undeliverable to'
    OR
    Body contains 'Message follows:'

    I'd like the first one to be:

    To does not contain <my_mail_address>
    AND
    CC does not contain <my_mail_address>

    This would be even more effective, but unfortunately CC is not supported
    by my provider. It's possible my filters are also dropping the
    occasional legitimate message, but I guess that's the price have I pay
    to keep my mailbox open for business during the storm.
    > Now comes the next phase. The volume of E-mail of the type 'you sent an
    > infected e-mail' and of the type 'an infected e-mail was sent to you' is
    > increasing rapidly. These messages originate from orginazations that scan
    > e-mail and notify the receipient and purported sender of the event. Of
    > course the infected e-mail generated by the worm has receipient address that
    > are harvested from infected systems and networks and sender addresses that
    > are either bogus or harvested from infected systems and networks. Not all
    > of these messages contain the body of the infected e-mail message.
    I've had about 10 of those get through the filters, but since they are
    all under 1KB it's not a serious problem.

    It doesn't look like this is going to stop anytime soon, either:

    [url]http://www.messagelabs.com/viruseye/info/default.asp?virusname=W32%2FSwen.A-mm[/url]
    > Phil Weldon, [email]pweldon@mindspring.com[/email]
    >
    > "Triffid" <triffid@nebula.net> wrote in message
    > news:ee9cb.5982$yD1.931405@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
    >
    >>
    >>Phil Weldon wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>The ONLY way to end the spam effect of this worm is for ISP's to scan at
    >
    > the
    >
    >>>POP3 level and DISCARD infected e-mail WITHOUT sending notifcation to
    >
    > the
    >
    >>>receiver (which still clogs the mailbox) OR the supposed sender e-mail
    >>>addresses (which are either bogus or harvested from 'address books' on
    >>>infected machines and networks.)
    >>
    >>Disagree. I got hit real bad by this one, but I fixed it without needing
    >>any help from my ISP.
    >>
    >>Mailboxes were filling up in less than an hour, so obviously there was
    >>little I could do on the client side.
    >>
    >>I went to my ISP's admin pages, but there were no server side mail
    >>filters available. I understand some ISPs offer mail filters, but most
    >>only allow redirection to a folder, which doesn't solve the 'mailbox
    >>full' problem - but AFAIK they all have a redirect option.
    >>
    >>My solution - redirect all mail to a webmail account that has 'delete
    >>message' as a filter option. Configure the filters to delete any message
    >>which has 'run attached file' or 'undelivered' or 'undeliverable' in the
    >>body. Problem solved - filters have dropped about 2100 swen mails in the
    >>last 24 hours, all other mail (big dick/blue pill spam included,
    >>unfortunately) is received as usual.
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    Triffid Guest

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