web interface to submit bugs

[Diego Calleja García]

AFAIK, the bug database doesn't have a web interface to submit bugs
(which would be cool)

Is there any plan to extend the bug tracking system?

What about migrating it to something like bugzilla?
([url]http://bugs.gentoo.org[/url] has it and seems to work pretty well)


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[Alex Malinovich]

On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 16:05, Diego Calleja GarcÃ*a wrote:

> AFAIK, the bug database doesn't have a web interface to submit bugs
> (which would be cool)
>
> Is there any plan to extend the bug tracking system?
>
> What about migrating it to something like bugzilla?
> ([url]http://bugs.gentoo.org[/url] has it and seems to work pretty well)

Personally I find reportbug plenty easy enough. Though for a web
interface, I'd think it would be quite easy to write a web front-end for
reportbug. Then again, it would be about as easy to write a web
front-end from scratch as well. :)

As for bugzilla, I for one would be opposed to it. I actually think that
bugzilla is a bit TOO full-featured for its own good. I like to go by
the KISS principle. (Keep It Simple, Stupid :)

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[aradorlinux@yahoo.es]

El 02 Aug 2003 17:48:45 -0500 Alex Malinovich <demonbane@the-love-shack.net> escribió:

> Personally I find reportbug plenty easy enough. Though for a web
> interface, I'd think it would be quite easy to write a web front-end for
> reportbug. Then again, it would be about as easy to write a web
> front-end from scratch as well. :)

Yeah. reportbug isn't bad, but it requires a mail server (or a mail account).
Web interface should be an option, at least IMHO.


I like the KISS principle, too (bugzilla is full featured, no doubt in that)
but it has some nice things ie: new bugs reported today (if the debian system
can do this i don't know how to do it due to the bad interface)

also, bugzilla makes contributions easier: It's damn easy to read the bugs
reported to day, and try to fix one if you're not a developer. Much easier
than sending requests to [email]request@bugs.debian.org[/email]

The current system is good, but it's a bit "obscure" and at least it needs
a bit of work to be usable for everybody.

I think this is important because isn't allowing to use the full potential
of all the users - I want to help to fix simple bugs, or add comments, or
experiences or - and that means faster stabilizations, etc.


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[aradorlinux@yahoo.es]

El Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:40:44 +0200 [email]aradorlinux@yahoo.es[/email] escribió:

[I'm also the [email]diegocg@teleline.es[/email] guy; BTW. Trying to avoid antispam systems for
my ISP]


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[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 11:05:12PM +0200, Diego Calleja Garc?a wrote:

> AFAIK, the bug database doesn't have a web interface to submit bugs
> (which would be cool)
>
> Is there any plan to extend the bug tracking system?

It's on the wishlist, but pretty much at the bottom of our priority
list. Use reportbug.

> What about migrating it to something like bugzilla?

No, this is vanishingly unlikely.

Cheers,

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[Paul Johnson]

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On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 11:05:12PM +0200, Diego Calleja Garc?a wrote:

> AFAIK, the bug database doesn't have a web interface to submit bugs
> (which would be cool)
>
> Is there any plan to extend the bug tracking system?

No, because reportbug exists for a reason.

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[Paul Johnson]

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On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:40:44AM +0200, [email]aradorlinux@yahoo.es[/email] wrote:

> Yeah. reportbug isn't bad, but it requires a mail server (or a mail account).

Well, considering so many other things require an MTA (cron, anacron,
at, most MUAs), and exim is part of the base system, why don't you
have one properly configured and installed?

> Web interface should be an option, at least IMHO.

No, because then we'll get people who really don't have enough
expertise to file a usable bug report reporting bugs. See also:
Bugzilla.

> also, bugzilla makes contributions easier: It's damn easy to read the bugs
> reported to day, and try to fix one if you're not a developer. Much easier
> than sending requests to [email]request@bugs.debian.org[/email]

Not really. The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything
after that is learned.

> The current system is good, but it's a bit "obscure" and at least it needs
> a bit of work to be usable for everybody.

You want obscure? Go look at Microsoft's BTS.

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[Travis Crump]

Paul Johnson wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:40:44AM +0200, [email]aradorlinux@yahoo.es[/email] wrote:
>

>>Yeah. reportbug isn't bad, but it requires a mail server (or a mail account).

>
>
> Well, considering so many other things require an MTA (cron, anacron,
> at, most MUAs), and exim is part of the base system, why don't you
> have one properly configured and installed?
>

Because there is a bug in exim... ;)[hypothetically]

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[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 00:38, Paul Johnson wrote:
--snip--

> You want obscure? Go look at Microsoft's BTS.

Microsoft HAS a BTS?! Where?! (Or do they call it a "feature" tracking
system? :)
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[aradorlinux@yahoo.es]

El Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:38:03 -0700 Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.ca> escribió:

> Well, considering so many other things require an MTA (cron, anacron,
> at, most MUAs), and exim is part of the base system, why don't you
> have one properly configured and installed?

Because i don't need to do it. The sylpheed package allows
me to live whitout it, i've 3 mail accounts not 3000 (if people like to waste
their time configuring exim for 3 accounts is their option).
Even more, it's been uninstalled, so I'm free of exim security bugs.

And well, i wonder what people will do when they find a bug in exim.

> No, because then we'll get people who really don't have enough
> expertise to file a usable bug report reporting bugs. See also:
> Bugzilla.

So close the bugs. reportbug doesn't stop people from doing that.


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[aradorlinux@yahoo.es]

El Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:42:49 +0100 Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> escribió:

> It's on the wishlist

Cool

> No, this is vanishingly unlikely.

Sure, i don't say i like bugzilla; but currently it allows doing some things
the BTS can't do.

Thanks for the job you're doing at the BTS!


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[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 04:44:19PM +0200, [email]aradorlinux@yahoo.es[/email] wrote:

> El Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:42:49 +0100 Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> escribi?:

> > No, this is vanishingly unlikely.

>
> Sure, i don't say i like bugzilla; but currently it allows doing some things
> the BTS can't do.

However, it would require an awful lot of customization to provide the
interfaces and facilities currently provided by debbugs. We've put a lot
of effort over the years into giving debbugs the features that Debian
needs, and while Bugzilla may have some features we lack it also lacks
some features we have. (To name but a few: good mail submission and
control interfaces designed for people who use mail a lot, like most
Debian developers; integration with other Debian systems like the
archive maintenance software; non-bizarre handling of merged bugs;
non-trivial experience of it on the existing BTS maintenance team. :-))

Upending the bug tracking system to install it and configure it
appropriately would be an insane amount of busy-work which is probably
better spent in improving the system we've got.

> Thanks for the job you're doing at the BTS!

You're welcome.

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[Anil Gupte]

Hi all! I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I
always learned by asking questions, so I hope you won't mind newbie
questions here. Otherwise let me know if there is any other list I should
go to.

Cheers!
Anil Gupte




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[Anil Gupte]

Hi all!

I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on the last
one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is:

I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I always
learned by asking questions, so I hope you won't mind newbie questions here.
Otherwise let me know if there is any other list I should go to.

Any pointers, web sites, books etc. will be appreciated. I already have
Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, and a couple of machines someone installed
for me that I am putzing with.

Cheers!
Anil Gupte




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[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 00:08, Anil Gupte wrote:

> Hi all!
>

Hi Anil,

> I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on the last
> one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is:
>
> I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I always
> learned by asking questions, so I hope you won't mind newbie questions here.
> Otherwise let me know if there is any other list I should go to.
>
> Any pointers, web sites, books etc. will be appreciated. I already have
> Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, and a couple of machines someone installed
> for me that I am putzing with.
>

Well you came to the right place. Ask away..
But if you get a chance , installing the dwarfs-debian-guide package is
good.
try:
apt-get install dwarfs-debian-guide
and reading the pdf,ps or html version in
/usr/share/doc/dwarfs-debian-guide
Cheers.
-Kev
<snip>



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[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:08:18PM -0500, Anil Gupte (anil-list@maxnetwork.com) wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on
> the last one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is:
>
> I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I
> always learned by asking questions, so I hope you won't mind newbie
> questions here. Otherwise let me know if there is any other list I
> should go to.

In general, questions pertaining to installing, configuring, upgrading,
repairing, or utilizing Debian are on topic here. As well as extended
discussions on numerous topics including but not limited to the Debian
Project and SPI (Debian's parent organization), America's Army, and
the absurdities of Challenge-Response spam filtering systems.

There are a number of other mailing lists associated with specific
sub-topics of Debian, see [url]http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/[/url]

> Any pointers, web sites, books etc. will be appreciated. I already
> have Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, and a couple of machines someone
> installed for me that I am putzing with.

The Debian website itself is your starting point. In particular:

[url]http://www.debian.org/doc/[/url]

...especially:

The FAQ: [url]http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html[/url]

The Install Manual:
[url]http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install[/url]

The APT Howto (describes the packaging system):
[url]http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html[/url]

Knowing that the Policy Manual exists is a good thing as well.:
[url]http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/[/url]

Policy is what determines what is or isn't allowed, for Debian
developers, to do within the Debian GNU/Linux distirbution. It
makes your role as a system administrator _far_ simpler than that
for any other GNU/Linux distribution.


There is a trove of useful documentation in Debian itself. I'd
recommend:

apt-get install dwww doc-linux-html debian-reference-en rutebook

...then point your browser at [url]http://localhost/dwww/[/url]

I list a few hardcopy sources at:

[url]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/linux-books.html[/url]

Rick Moen's Debian tips are useful:

[url]http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips[/url]

Peace.

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