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I'd like to travel without carrying a notebook computer and copy the image files from CF cards to a CD, preferable several CF cards to a single CD. I'd then mail the CD home for safe keeping. Is there such a thing as a CF-card-to-CD burner that does not required a separate computer? --David...

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    Default What hardware to burn CF card to CD without a computer?

    I'd like to travel without carrying a notebook computer and copy the
    image files from CF cards to a CD, preferable several CF cards to a
    single CD. I'd then mail the CD home for safe keeping. Is there such a
    thing as a CF-card-to-CD burner that does not required a separate
    computer?
    --David
    David Guest

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    <David Ellis> wrote in message
    news:com... 

    Yep.

    http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=compact%20flash%20to%20%20cd%20burner&hl =en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-45,GGLD:en&sa=N&tab=wf


    G.T. Guest

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    From: <David Ellis>

    | I'd like to travel without carrying a notebook computer and copy the
    | image files from CF cards to a CD, preferable several CF cards to a
    | single CD. I'd then mail the CD home for safe keeping. Is there such a
    | thing as a CF-card-to-CD burner that does not required a separate
    | computer?
    | --David

    Since 1GB CF cards hold more than a CD.

    I think you would be better own looking for a DVD writer instead since DVD media holds
    ~4.7GB.

    --
    Dave


    David Guest

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    David Ellis wrote: 

    Forget CD's and even DVD's for image storage. A portable drive unit
    with a 2.5 inch HDD, available from 20 to 80 gigabytes, with direct
    record from the built-in card reader - CF, SD, etc. - and a 2-inch
    full-colour screen to view your shots. USB connection to your computer
    to download when you get back home.

    I use one myself, a 40 GB model. Good for over 4,000 RAW images from my
    300D, at 7 to 8 megabytes each. Cost less than one 4GB CF card.

    Have a look here:

    http://www.xs-drive.com/

    Colin.
    Colin Guest

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    While I would use this too (I actually use my digital music player, which
    hosts my USB card reader), the OP wants to be able to mail the images
    home... Depending on the kind of adventure, (and what the possibilities of
    theft) I'd say this is a good thing to do.

    Al...

    "Colin D" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:127.0.0.1... 
    >
    > Forget CD's and even DVD's for image storage. A portable drive unit
    > with a 2.5 inch HDD, available from 20 to 80 gigabytes, with direct
    > record from the built-in card reader - CF, SD, etc. - and a 2-inch
    > full-colour screen to view your shots. USB connection to your computer
    > to download when you get back home.
    >
    > I use one myself, a 40 GB model. Good for over 4,000 RAW images from my
    > 300D, at 7 to 8 megabytes each. Cost less than one 4GB CF card.
    >
    > Have a look here:
    >
    > http://www.xs-drive.com/
    >
    > Colin.[/ref]


    Alan Guest

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    Colin D <127.0.0.1> writes:
     
    >
    > Forget CD's and even DVD's for image storage. A portable drive unit
    > with a 2.5 inch HDD, available from 20 to 80 gigabytes, with direct
    > record from the built-in card reader - CF, SD, etc. - and a 2-inch
    > full-colour screen to view your shots. USB connection to your computer
    > to download when you get back home.[/ref]

    Not acceptable to me -- having the only copy of my picture on one
    rotating magnetic medium is *not* adequately safe.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
    RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
    Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
    Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>
    David Guest

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    From: "David Dyer-Bennet" <net>


    |
    | Not acceptable to me -- having the only copy of my picture on one
    | rotating magnetic medium is *not* adequately safe.
    | --
    | David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
    | RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
    | Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
    | Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>

    While the capacity is good -- It is a mechanical device and subject to a higher failure
    rate. That's why I suggested DVD media.

    --
    Dave


    David Guest

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    "David H. Lipman" wrote: 

    Not so, IMHO. Outboard drives are generally considered to be the most
    reliable backup system available, better than optical media. But,
    probably more importantly, if it were me, I would burn at least two
    copies of my data, just in case the international post loses my disk,
    and to have backup in case a CD or DVD goes bad.

    Colin
    Colin Guest

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    From: "Colin D" <127.0.0.1>

    |
    | "David H. Lipman" wrote: [/ref]
    |>> Not acceptable to me -- having the only copy of my picture on one
    |>> rotating magnetic medium is *not* adequately safe.
    |>> --
    |>> David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
    |>> RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
    |>> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
    |>> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/> [/ref]
    |
    | Not so, IMHO. Outboard drives are generally considered to be the most
    | reliable backup system available, better than optical media. But,
    | probably more importantly, if it were me, I would burn at least two
    | copies of my data, just in case the international post loses my disk,
    | and to have backup in case a CD or DVD goes bad.
    |
    | Colin

    I'm sorry I disagree.

    --
    Dave


    David Guest

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    In article <127.0.0.1>,
    Colin D <127.0.0.1> wrote: 

    [ ... ]
     [/ref]

    [ ... ]
     

    That might be so without a readback to make sure that the DVD
    made a clean copy before flushing the CF card -- and ideally burning two
    copies on different brands of DVDs just to be sure.

    However -- I don't think that those reports include the results
    of trusting the resulting backup to the mails for shipping back home, as
    was desired by the original poster.

    Strong magnetic fields, such as might be found in various
    explosives detectors, X-rays, and the like, could degrade the
    information on the disk.

    And -- the shocks of typical mail handling systems, even in the
    US, would vastly increase the chances that the disks would be partially
    or completely unreadable once you got home to where they were.

    I would go for two DVDs -- as mentioned above, of different
    brands of media -- and ship *one* home, while keeping the other in my
    luggage.
     

    Amen!

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
    --
    Email: <com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
    (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
    --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
    DoN. Guest

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    David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
     

    It is permitted to own more than one...

    eawckyegcy@yahoo.com Guest

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    DoN. Nichols wrote:
     
    two 

    I think about this and a wave of intense relief washes over me. This
    is the kind of bull that I gladly left behind some time ago.
     
    as 

    A crazy plan if I ever heard one.
     

    www.google.com: magnetic coercivity
    www.google.com: faraday cage

    All modern harddisks are ensconced in a metal box, and made from
    magnetic materials can only be tweaked by a very strong field floating
    micrometres from the surface. Indeed, as capacities have increased, so
    has this natural "protection" from whatever external fields can make it
    through the box.

    Some amusement. http://wipe.sourceforge.net/secure_del.html

    "[...] In addition, like physical destruction, it requires highly
    specialised equipment which is expensive and difficult to obtain
    (one example of an adequate degausser was the 2.5 MW Navy research
    magnet used by a former Pentagon site manager to degauss a 14" hard
    drive for 1 minutes. It bent the platters on the drive and
    probably succeeded in erasing it beyond the capabilities of
    any data recovery attempts [20])."
     
    partially 

    I guess if you just mailed the disk alone attached to a post-card or
    something. But who would do that? I've received delicate instruments,
    expensive optics, and even HD's in boxes via courier's and the mail.
    How many packing-peanuts has humanity made to date?
     

    DVD's, CD's, are too small, too finicky, too silly. Buy a pair of
    80GB+ laptop disks (I find desktops bulky, but are perfectly fine if
    you can accept the size/weight/power consumption), enclosures for same
    with CF ports and do the backup trick.

    eawckyegcy@yahoo.com Guest

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    From: <com>

    | DoN. Nichols wrote:
    | [/ref]
    | two [/ref]
    |
    | I think about this and a wave of intense relief washes over me. This
    | is the kind of bull that I gladly left behind some time ago.
    | [/ref]
    | as [/ref]
    |
    | A crazy plan if I ever heard one.
    | [/ref]
    |
    | www.google.com: magnetic coercivity
    | www.google.com: faraday cage
    |
    | All modern harddisks are ensconced in a metal box, and made from
    | magnetic materials can only be tweaked by a very strong field floating
    | micrometres from the surface. Indeed, as capacities have increased, so
    | has this natural "protection" from whatever external fields can make it
    | through the box.
    |
    | Some amusement. http://wipe.sourceforge.net/secure_del.html
    |
    | "[...] In addition, like physical destruction, it requires highly
    | specialised equipment which is expensive and difficult to obtain
    | (one example of an adequate degausser was the 2.5 MW Navy research
    | magnet used by a former Pentagon site manager to degauss a 14" hard
    | drive for 1 minutes. It bent the platters on the drive and
    | probably succeeded in erasing it beyond the capabilities of
    | any data recovery attempts [20])."
    | [/ref]
    | partially [/ref]
    |
    | I guess if you just mailed the disk alone attached to a post-card or
    | something. But who would do that? I've received delicate instruments,
    | expensive optics, and even HD's in boxes via courier's and the mail.
    | How many packing-peanuts has humanity made to date?
    | [/ref]
    |
    | DVD's, CD's, are too small, too finicky, too silly. Buy a pair of
    | 80GB+ laptop disks (I find desktops bulky, but are perfectly fine if
    | you can accept the size/weight/power consumption), enclosures for same
    | with CF ports and do the backup trick.


    You are right about magnetic coercivity (meadured in oerstads)

    However, the mecahnical shock (G-Force) of COTS drives are the delimiting factor.

    There ar speciality drives that can withstand greater shock and are designed for more
    extreme mobile applications. However, you are not going to get them through standard
    outlets.

    --
    Dave


    David Guest

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    In article <googlegroups.com>,
    com <com> wrote: 

    [ ... ]
     
    >
    >www.google.com: magnetic coercivity
    >www.google.com: faraday cage
    >
    >All modern harddisks are ensconced in a metal box, and made from
    >magnetic materials can only be tweaked by a very strong field floating
    >micrometres from the surface. Indeed, as capacities have increased, so
    >has this natural "protection" from whatever external fields can make it
    >through the box.[/ref]

    They may be enclosed in a metal box, but that metal box is quite
    often cast aluminum, which offers little in the way of protection
    against DC magnetic fields -- just high frequency ones, where the
    induced currents by the AC field tend to buck the incident fields.

    And a Faraday cage is *not* a continuous shell (as are the drive
    enclosures), but rather a set of conductors in parallel terminating in a
    single conductor. And they are good against RFI, not DC magnetic
    fields.
     

    Certainly the bent platters would render it unreadable by
    anything other than a data-recovery specialist -- and only if it was
    never put in a drive and spun up with the warped platters -- whether it
    was degaussed or not. And the fact that there was sufficient force to
    bend the aluminum platters suggests that there was a significant
    high-frequency component to the field -- probably at the onset, which
    did most of the work. That would have been done in milliseconds, and
    the (much less than) one minute was not necessary.
     
    >partially 
    >
    >I guess if you just mailed the disk alone attached to a post-card or
    >something. But who would do that? I've received delicate instruments,
    >expensive optics, and even HD's in boxes via courier's and the mail.
    >How many packing-peanuts has humanity made to date?[/ref]

    And how many are available in the field -- in whatever country
    you happen to be shooting -- to ensure that the mailing is safe. I have
    heard of parts of the world where the most available packing material is
    fresh-popped popcorn -- if the local rodents don't eat into your package
    to consume your packing material.
     
    >
    >DVD's, CD's, are too small,[/ref]

    Too small compared to the bulk of an external disk drive, with
    power supply? And consider the mass which you have to carry with you
    until you are ready to entrust it to the mail system of whatever country
    you are in, and the various other mail systems between the point of
    mailing and the intended destination.

    Or do you mean that the capacity is too low? I think that a 4.7
    GB DVD would be a pretty good match for a 4GB full CF card.

    Also -- how does the cost of the CF cards compare to that of disks
    in enclosures? Given the bulk question, I would be tempted to stock up
    on CF cards, and keep them all with me until I returned -- or mail each
    as it got full, and hope that those at the other end would mail back to
    you the CF cards after they were safely copied to at least two storage
    media.
     

    Exactly what is silly about a DVD ROM?

    As for finicky, I have had no trouble burning them on my unix
    systems -- though I have heard of Windows systems requiring shutting
    just about everything which is running to safely burn a CD-ROM or
    DVD-ROM.
     

    I have had mere 6GB laptop disks die from a short drop (about 18
    inches. I have never had a problem with CF cards dropped from greater
    heights.

    And what do you intend to use to write the laptop disks, as the
    original poster stated that he did *not* want to take a laptop along?

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
    --
    Email: <com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
    (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
    --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
    DoN. Guest

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    From: "DoN. Nichols" <com>

    | In article <googlegroups.com>,
    | com <com> wrote: [/ref]
    |
    | [ ... ]

    >>
    >> www.google.com: magnetic coercivity
    >> www.google.com: faraday cage
    >>
    >> All modern harddisks are ensconced in a metal box, and made from
    >> magnetic materials can only be tweaked by a very strong field floating
    >> micrometres from the surface. Indeed, as capacities have increased, so
    >> has this natural "protection" from whatever external fields can make it
    >> through the box.[/ref][/ref]
    |
    | They may be enclosed in a metal box, but that metal box is quite
    | often cast aluminum, which offers little in the way of protection
    | against DC magnetic fields -- just high frequency ones, where the
    | induced currents by the AC field tend to buck the incident fields.
    |
    | And a Faraday cage is *not* a continuous shell (as are the drive
    | enclosures), but rather a set of conductors in parallel terminating in a
    | single conductor. And they are good against RFI, not DC magnetic
    | fields.
    | [/ref]
    |
    | Certainly the bent platters would render it unreadable by
    | anything other than a data-recovery specialist -- and only if it was
    | never put in a drive and spun up with the warped platters -- whether it
    | was degaussed or not. And the fact that there was sufficient force to
    | bend the aluminum platters suggests that there was a significant
    | high-frequency component to the field -- probably at the onset, which
    | did most of the work. That would have been done in milliseconds, and
    | the (much less than) one minute was not necessary.

    >> partially 
    >>
    >> I guess if you just mailed the disk alone attached to a post-card or
    >> something. But who would do that? I've received delicate instruments,
    >> expensive optics, and even HD's in boxes via courier's and the mail.
    >> How many packing-peanuts has humanity made to date?[/ref][/ref]
    |
    | And how many are available in the field -- in whatever country
    | you happen to be shooting -- to ensure that the mailing is safe. I have
    | heard of parts of the world where the most available packing material is
    | fresh-popped popcorn -- if the local rodents don't eat into your package
    | to consume your packing material.

    >>
    >> DVD's, CD's, are too small,[/ref][/ref]
    |
    | Too small compared to the bulk of an external disk drive, with
    | power supply? And consider the mass which you have to carry with you
    | until you are ready to entrust it to the mail system of whatever country
    | you are in, and the various other mail systems between the point of
    | mailing and the intended destination.
    |
    | Or do you mean that the capacity is too low? I think that a 4.7
    | GB DVD would be a pretty good match for a 4GB full CF card.
    |
    | Also -- how does the cost of the CF cards compare to that of disks
    | in enclosures? Given the bulk question, I would be tempted to stock up
    | on CF cards, and keep them all with me until I returned -- or mail each
    | as it got full, and hope that those at the other end would mail back to
    | you the CF cards after they were safely copied to at least two storage
    | media.
    | [/ref]
    |
    | Exactly what is silly about a DVD ROM?
    |
    | As for finicky, I have had no trouble burning them on my unix
    | systems -- though I have heard of Windows systems requiring shutting
    | just about everything which is running to safely burn a CD-ROM or
    | DVD-ROM.
    | [/ref]
    |
    | I have had mere 6GB laptop disks die from a short drop (about 18
    | inches. I have never had a problem with CF cards dropped from greater
    | heights.
    |
    | And what do you intend to use to write the laptop disks, as the
    | original poster stated that he did *not* want to take a laptop along?
    |
    | Enjoy,
    | DoN.
    | --
    | Email: <com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
    | (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
    | --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

    I agree with everything you said except -- "...DC magnetic fields."

    It is the AC magnetic fields one must worry about because it is the constant transitioning
    of North to South magnetic poles the degausses.

    --
    Dave


    David Guest

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    In article <CzuXd.30904$QQ3.14998trnddc02>,
    David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~Verizon.Net> wrote: 

    [ ... ]
     

    [ ... ]
     

    Thank you!
     

    AC magnetic fields, slowly decreasing in amplitude, are what is
    needed to *totally* degauss something. But a strong DC field could set
    all the disk surface to the same polarity, which means no transitions,
    and thus no data -- which is sufficient to render the data
    unrecoverable -- *if* you have a strong enough DC field.

    AC is preferred for erasing most og recording media (e.g.
    audio tapes), simply because a DC remanent in the medium, and/or in the
    heads, increases the noise level (hiss) underlying the desired signal.

    For digital media, the only thing which really matters is the
    transitions from one polarity to the other -- and exactly when they
    occur, so DC erase is sufficient -- and is exactly what is done in
    computer tape drives. The QIC-150 drives for the DC-600 tapes record 18
    tracks, one at a time, shuttling the tape back and forth. But -- when
    it records the first thing from the beginning of tape, it writes
    immediately behind a full-width erase head with a DC field. This erases
    at least part of all tracks on the first write, thus making data
    recovery difficult.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.

    --
    Email: <com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
    (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
    --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
    DoN. Guest

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    "com" <com> writes:
     
    >
    > It is permitted to own more than one...[/ref]

    That'd work; though at that point a laptop with a burner in it is
    looking rather more convenient.
    --
    David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
    RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/>
    Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/>
    Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>
    David Guest

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    David H. Lipman wrote:
     

    Couldja trim your replies?

    Alan Guest

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    Kanguru make several portable card to cd direct burners. Haven't tried
    them but have been tempted to get on for my next trip...

    As for the portable hard drive option... I agree, I don't want to erase
    a card until I have 2 copies of my images. But it is all a mater of
    personal preference.

    The other nice thing with the cd burner is you can also give copies of
    your images to friends you meet on you trip.

    Validating the CD is of course an issue, but if you have tested the
    device and the brand of Cd your using the risk should be minimal.. Some
    of the higher Kanguru models suport video out so if you can view your
    images if you can access a tv set with video in..

    I think you face a greater risk going to those photo booths (like at
    disney) where someone who doesn't know what they are doing takes your
    card and makes a CD for you....

    FWIW

    Voigt

     
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