When is Perl 6 coming out?

[Dan Anderson]

I saw a book on Perl 6 but I didn't think it was out yet. When is it
coming out, and will it support code from 5.0+?

Thanks,

Dan

[Rob Hanson]

> When is it coming out

The usual answer is "when it is done".

It is far from completion, but a lot of progress has been made. My guess is
beta in a year... but nobody really knows, and there is no schedule for it.
The goal is to do it right, even if it means a very long development cycle.

> and will it support code from 5.0+?

Yes.

Rob

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Subject: When is Perl 6 coming out?


I saw a book on Perl 6 but I didn't think it was out yet. When is it
coming out, and will it support code from 5.0+?

Thanks,

Dan


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[Wiggins D Anconia]

> I saw a book on Perl 6 but I didn't think it was out yet. When is it
> coming out, and will it support code from 5.0+?
>

The standard OSS answer probably applies here, "it will be out, when its
out"...

I assume you probably saw O'Reilly's Perl 6 Essentials?
[url]http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perl6es/[/url]

I am about 3/4 of the way through it and have found it an excellent
resource for finding out what the plans are in Perl 6 and where it stood
at one paused moment in time, the book also does a fair job of
explaining where things will change because Perl 6 is so fresh.

There are also a number of places online to find out what Perl 6 will
look like, as well as about Parrot.

[url]http://perl.com/pub/q/Article_Archive#Perl%206[/url] (naturally) has an
article archive that contains summaries of the happenings in the mailing
lists, as well as past Apocalypses, etc.

Also check out:

[url]http://dev.perl.org/perl6/[/url]
[url]http://www.parrotcode.org/[/url]

And the various mailing lists at [url]http://lists.perl.org[/url]

[url]http://danconia.org[/url]

[Dan Anderson]

> It is far from completion, but a lot of progress has been made. My guess is

> beta in a year... but nobody really knows, and there is no schedule for it.
> The goal is to do it right, even if it means a very long development cycle.

That doesn't make me think very highly of O'Reilly if they /already/
have a copy of a book on Perl 6 in stores.

-Dan

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Anderson <dan@mathjunkies.com> writes:

Dan> That doesn't make me think very highly of O'Reilly if they /already/
Dan> have a copy of a book on Perl 6 in stores.

Quite the contrary, I'll suggest. The people who wrote the Perl 6
book are deeply involved in the core of creating Perl 6. It's meant
to be a book of "here's where we are at" for those who are trying to
follow along. I think the goal is to update it frequently.

O'Reilly is very smart for getting a Perl6 book by key people out there.
Nothing to be negative about it.

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[Dan Anderson]

> O'Reilly is very smart for getting a Perl6 book by key people out there.

> Nothing to be negative about it.

My apologies then. I thought it might be the *final* book -- i.e. half
bake -- like all too many computer books which come out based on alpha
and beta versions.

-Dan

[Km]

Hi all,
i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?
thanks,
regards,
KM

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 07:53:17PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

> >>>>> "Dan" == Dan Anderson <dan@mathjunkies.com> writes:

>
> Dan> That doesn't make me think very highly of O'Reilly if they /already/
> Dan> have a copy of a book on Perl 6 in stores.
>
> Quite the contrary, I'll suggest. The people who wrote the Perl 6
> book are deeply involved in the core of creating Perl 6. It's meant
> to be a book of "here's where we are at" for those who are trying to
> follow along. I think the goal is to update it frequently.
>

[R. Joseph Newton]

Dan Anderson wrote:

> > It is far from completion, but a lot of progress has been made. My guess is
> > beta in a year... but nobody really knows, and there is no schedule for it.
> > The goal is to do it right, even if it means a very long development cycle.

>
> That doesn't make me think very highly of O'Reilly if they /already/
> have a copy of a book on Perl 6 in stores.

You object to the idea of hitting the ground running?

Joseph

[Thomas bätzler]

km <km@mrna.tn.nic.in> asked:

> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

That depends on your definition of compiler.

It certainly has a compiler that creates byte code, just
as all of the current Perl versions. I don't know wether
it will have a compiler like PerlEx bundled.

What I know is that Perl 6 will have a cleaner separation
of compiler and virtual machine. In fact, Perl 6 and its
virtual machine Parrot are developed by different teams.

HTH,
Thomas

[Wiggins D Anconia]

Please don't top post...

> Hi all,
> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

This is a rather vague post, how do you really mean?

Essentially it is just not that simple, which is why the book is a good
resource for people to find out what Perl 6 is really all about, as it
is about much more than just a language with an interpreter...

Check out the links I provided in my other post for better information
about Perl 6. Specifically the article archive, but read from the bottom
up....

[url]http://danconia.org[/url]

[Dan Anderson]

> You object to the idea of hitting the ground running?

No...actually I replied to another poster on this matter. Sometimes
computer books come out based on an Alpha or Beta version -- which is
nice unless there have been significant changes, in which case it can be
a confusing waste of money.

-Dan

[Dan Anderson]

> Hi all,

> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?
> thanks,
> regards,
> KM

Yup, and from what somebody else posted it looks to be sweet:

[url]http://www.parrotcode.org/[/url]

-Dan

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Km" == Km <km@mrna.tn.nic.in> writes:

Km> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

Why would they remove a feature already available since Perl 1?

Perl has *always* been compiled. Recent Perls even let you get
at it a bit easier.

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[Rob Dixon]

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
:

> >>>>> "Km" == Km <km@mrna.tn.nic.in> writes:

>
> Km> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?
>
> Why would they remove a feature already available since Perl 1?

[snip]

I think you and I both know what Km means by a 'compiler'.

Did your first train ride come with an 'engine'?

Rob

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Dixon <rob@dixon.port995.com> writes:

Km> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

>>
>> Why would they remove a feature already available since Perl 1?

Rob> [snip]

Rob> I think you and I both know what Km means by a 'compiler'.

No. I don't we can possibly know precisely what is meant without
elaboration.

Hence, I'll answer the answer that matters the most to me. :)

Most people that want a "compiler" (in the sense of creating an
executable) either aren't paying attention, or have nefarious schemes
in mind. So, I'll answer the answer that actually fits the Perl
world.

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[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:19:44AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

> >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Dixon <rob@dixon.port995.com> writes:

>
> Km> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

> >>
> >> Why would they remove a feature already available since Perl 1?

>
> Rob> [snip]
>
> Rob> I think you and I both know what Km means by a 'compiler'.
>
> No. I don't we can possibly know precisely what is meant without
> elaboration.
>
> Hence, I'll answer the answer that matters the most to me. :)
>
> Most people that want a "compiler" (in the sense of creating an
> executable) either aren't paying attention, or have nefarious schemes
> in mind. So, I'll answer the answer that actually fits the Perl
> world.

Those who've not been paying attention will be pleased to know that one
of those nefarious Parrot hackers has extended parrot to emit an
executable, with the help of a grant from those miscreants at The Perl
Foundation.

So it would appear that the answer to the question is that it already
does, on certain platforms, and insofar as there is a Perl 6.

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[Rob Dixon]

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>

> >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Dixon <rob@dixon.port995.com> writes:

>
> Km> i am just curious -- is perl 6 coming with a compiler ?

> >>
> >> Why would they remove a feature already available since Perl 1?

>
> Rob> I think you and I both know what Km means by a 'compiler'.
>
> No. I don't we can possibly know precisely what is meant without
> elaboration.

Nobody asked for your precise knowledge. In fact Perl's whole thesis
is opposite to that idea. The DWIM semantics are core to the whole
concept.

> Hence, I'll answer the answer that matters the most to me. :)
>
> Most people that want a "compiler" (in the sense of creating an
> executable) either aren't paying attention, or have nefarious schemes
> in mind. So, I'll answer the answer that actually fits the Perl
> world.

Sorry, but I can't grasp this one at all! Aren't paying attention
to what? And what sort of nefarious schemes? Aren't we in danger
of driving Perl under ground here? :)

Just to pick the remainder of your nits, a compiler traditionally
creates an object file. A linker will then form an executable image
out of those parts. That's still very much a valid model: how nice it
would be to compile a.pl and b.cpp and assemble c.asm and then just
link the three with all necessary libraries! But then it wouldn't
be the language that it is.

Here's to symbiotic nit-picking!

Cheers,

Rob

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Rob" == Rob Dixon <rob@dixon.port995.com> writes:

Rob> Just to pick the remainder of your nits, a compiler traditionally
Rob> creates an object file.

That's only *one* meaning of the word. And it's the meaning least
appropriate in the Perl world. :)

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