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We have been using Redhat 8.0 on 4 of our internal servers for a while now. With the recent move by Redhat to stop support for 9.0 after spring seems to be a little troublesome. Fedora might be an option but since we have only production servers, we are not inclined to experiment. I have heard a lot about Gentoo. Does any body recommend it for servers? If not Gentoo what other flavor of Linux should we consider keeping in mind that a service like up2date would be a life saver. Any suggestions are welcome. --Turi http://aijalon.net...

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    Default Which flavor to chose?

    We have been using Redhat 8.0 on 4 of our internal servers for a while now.
    With the recent move by Redhat to stop support for 9.0 after spring seems to
    be a little troublesome. Fedora might be an option but since we have only
    production servers, we are not inclined to experiment. I have heard a lot
    about Gentoo. Does any body recommend it for servers? If not Gentoo what
    other flavor of Linux should we consider keeping in mind that a service like
    up2date would be a life saver. Any suggestions are welcome.

    --Turi
    http://aijalon.net


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    Aditya Ivaturi <net> wrote: 

    What about RH ES 3.0, not really cheap, but you can use up2date and
    get 5 years patches.

    Another option should be debian, updates are fairly easy with
    apt.

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    Turi writes: 

    Debian. You won't like the installer, but you'll love apt.
    --
    John Hasler
    gt.org (John Hasler)
    Dancing Horse Hill
    Elmwood, WI
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    Aditya Ivaturi wrote: 

    Gentoo does store configs in /etc, like any Unix system, but the init
    structure is a little different. Your files in /etc/init.d/ do not take
    arguments but appear to be called directly by a special program or
    script which runs start() or stop() functions. It should be relatively
    easy to convert from RedHat startup scripts to Gentoo.

    I don't know where httpd.conf is exactly since I didn't install apache
    yet and may not...this is a desktop system.

    The Gentoo package system takes a little getting used to as it is
    different than anything else. They use a system called "portage", which
    I guess is similar to FreeBSD ports. I believe this is much better than
    RPM's however:

    rootbart nroberts # emerge search rpm
    Searching...
    [ Results for search key : rpm ]
    [ Applications found : 4 ]

    * app-arch/gnorpm [ Masked ]
    Latest version available: 0.96
    Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
    Size of downloaded files: 635 kB
    Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/
    Description: A Gnome RPM Frontend

    * app-arch/rpm
    Latest version available: 4.0.4-r5
    Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
    Size of downloaded files: 5,728 kB
    Homepage: http://www.rpm.org/
    Description: Red Hat Package Management Utils

    * app-arch/rpm2targz
    Latest version available: 9.0-r2
    Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
    Size of downloaded files: 2 kB
    Homepage: http://www.slackware.com/config/packages.php
    Description: Convert a .rpm file to a .tar.gz archive

    * dev-perl/RPM
    Latest version available: 0.40-r1
    Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
    Size of downloaded files: 53 kB
    Homepage: http://search.cpan.org/author/RJRAY/Perl-RPM-0.40/
    Description: RPM:: module for perl

    The above means I can install RPM and use it, but I probably won't.

    Here is another interesting command output:

    rootbart nroberts # etcat uses gimp
    [ Colour Code : set unset ]
    [ Legend : (U) Col 1 - Current USE flags ]
    [ : (I) Col 2 - Installed With USE flags ]
    [ * No USE flags found for : app-doc/gimp-user-manual ]

    U I [ Found these USE variables in : media-gfx/gimp-1.2.4 ]
    + - python : Adds support/bindings for the Python language
    + - nls : unknown
    + - gnome : Adds GNOME support
    - - aalib : Adds support for media-libs/aalib (ASCII-Graphics Library)
    + - perl : Adds support/bindings for the Perl language.
    - - doc : Adds extra doentation (API, Javadoc, etc)
    + - jpeg : Adds JPEG image support
    + - png : Adds support for libpng (PNG images)
    - - tiff : Adds support for the tiff image format

    U I [ Found these USE variables in : media-gfx/gimp-print-4.2.5-r2 ]
    + - nls : unknown
    + - gtk : Adds support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit)
    + - readline : enables support for libreadline, a GNU line-editing
    library that most everyone wants.
    - - cups : Add support for CUPS (Common Unix Printing System)
    + - foomaticdb : Adds support for the foomatic printing driver database
    - - ppds : Adds support for automatically generated ppd
    (printing driver) files
    [ * No USE flags found for : media-gfx/babygimp ]
    [ * No USE flags found for : media-gfx/gimp-freetype ]

    USE flags are install options much like configure options; in fact that
    is what they usually translate into.

    If I want to know what will be installed I do this:

    rootbart qdbm-1.7.27 # emerge -pv apache

    These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

    Calculating dependencies ...done!
    [ebuild N ] dev-util/yacc-1.9.1-r1
    [ebuild N ] net-www/apache-2.0.47 +berkdb +gdbm -ldap

    Sometimes an emerge will fail, then you untar the source from
    /usr/portage/distfiles and try by hand, possibly patching. Then you
    "inject" the ebuild into the system so that dependencies work. I have
    had to do this a few times as I am using a less than fully supported
    architecture and often must unmask ebuilds and a few of those then don't
    work as expected and must be injected by hand. Guile for instance
    required a patch and gnucash needed some masagging to get it in. I
    would expect that you would run into much less failures on the x86.

    I can't say I have fully learned this new system, but I can say I like
    it better than anything so far, maybe even my old favorite Slackware.

    I can't say I know any sites that compare it to others, it would be
    silly anyway as Gentoo is in a league all of its own wether you like its
    system or not. No distribution compares to Gentoo as it is a very
    different creature. Personally I like these differences and think it
    would make a very good server distribution where you are constantly
    updating and such.

    It does take a little longer to install though, and you need to know
    exactly what you need. For instance, apache is not installed by
    default. I don't know what is in the GRP's as my architecture hasn't
    got one yet; you may want to look those over to see if one supplies
    enough of what you need to install quickly.

    I would recommend trying it out to see if you can live with it in a
    production environment. Take it home and play with it for a couple of
    weeks.

    NR

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    Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:41:03 UTC, John Hasler <gt.org> Noted:
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    Interesting. I've used Slackware for 10 years and never liked RH. I
    liked them even less when I saw they were gonna try and charge $$$ for
    something that is free (my take on things).

    I don't lurk in these NG's much anymore but figured there would be a lot
    of unhappy people. I see that looks to be the case.

    Ron Guest

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