why does pop-up menus require so much code to make them work?

[jqpdev webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Yes I'm a newb.

I examined the pop-up menu code that dmx creates to show/hide pop-up menus. Its approx 900 to 1000 lines of horribly spaced javascript code the is functional. Why does it take *so* much code just to respond to only a few events (mouse over, mouse out, onclick)? The file is almost 30K.

Is there a way to do this via CSS?

[Murray *TMM*]

Yes. And there are many other ways to do it in HTML that are much more code
efficient and much less troublesome. Here are some -

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]

or

[url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]

Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally trouble
free -

[url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]

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"jqpdev" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Yes I'm a newb.
>
> I examined the pop-up menu code that dmx creates to show/hide pop-up

menus. Its approx 900 to 1000 lines of horribly spaced javascript code the
is functional. Why does it take *so* much code just to respond to only a
few events (mouse over, mouse out, onclick)? The file is almost 30K.

>
> Is there a way to do this via CSS?
>
>

[jqpdev]

Thanks a million. I spent about 4.5 hours examining the youngpup website,
their css slide out menus, the other goodies at their site and surfing links
on their site. With the help of W3Schools' website
([url]http://www.w3schools.com[/url]) I was able to figure out how the javascript and
css code works and how its employed in an actual web page. I can actually
scale back their work to suit my needs. This is what I was looking for.

I looked at Project 7, but their solution requires the installation of
extensions. Which sounds like they did a lot of work. I wanted a
minimalist CSS/Javascript combo to produce simple pop-up menus (a list of
links). ...and I was shooting for something that leaned more in the CSS
direction, than a heap of complex javascript.

I will of course experiment with project 7's extensions later on. I'm still
a newb so learning what pieces a solution contains, how those pieces work,
and how the pieces interact is more important to me right now. P-7's
extension based solution may be a lot quicker for the purpose of "getting
something done".

....And for the others newb's that might read this, check out A list apart's
website ([url]http://www.alistapart.com/[/url]). There are some good discussions on
their site about layout, design, the employment of CSS, and <div>'s. Don't
forget W3schools above.

[Murray *TMM*]

Be aware that installing extensions has no downside as far as the final
results are concerned. They only affect the scope of capabilities available
within DMX. PVII's AutoLayer extension is something that you will find a
million uses for once you start with it.

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"jqpdev" <jqpdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks a million. I spent about 4.5 hours examining the youngpup website,
> their css slide out menus, the other goodies at their site and surfing

links

> on their site. With the help of W3Schools' website
> ([url]http://www.w3schools.com[/url]) I was able to figure out how the javascript and
> css code works and how its employed in an actual web page. I can actually
> scale back their work to suit my needs. This is what I was looking for.
>
> I looked at Project 7, but their solution requires the installation of
> extensions. Which sounds like they did a lot of work. I wanted a
> minimalist CSS/Javascript combo to produce simple pop-up menus (a list of
> links). ...and I was shooting for something that leaned more in the CSS
> direction, than a heap of complex javascript.
>
> I will of course experiment with project 7's extensions later on. I'm

still

> a newb so learning what pieces a solution contains, how those pieces work,
> and how the pieces interact is more important to me right now. P-7's
> extension based solution may be a lot quicker for the purpose of "getting
> something done".
>
> ...And for the others newb's that might read this, check out A list

apart's

> website ([url]http://www.alistapart.com/[/url]). There are some good discussions on
> their site about layout, design, the employment of CSS, and <div>'s.

Don't

> forget W3schools above.
>
>

[Murray *TMM*]

Matthew:

Very nice, very slick, very slim, and no UI! 8)

Why couldn't MM have done it that way? I dunno....<shrug>

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"Matthew Carpenter" <mcarpenter@otbdesign.com> wrote in message
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> OMG
>
> This is fantastic Murray!
> [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
>
> I have been looking for simple code to use on menus forever and this is
> perfect! Simple, light, easy to modify, and to the point.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:bneo2o$mr$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Yes. And there are many other ways to do it in HTML that are much more

> code

> > efficient and much less troublesome. Here are some -
> >
> > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]
> >
> > or
> >
> > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]
> >
> > Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally

> trouble

> > free -
> >
> > [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
> >
> > --
> > Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> > (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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GET

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> > ==================
> >
> > "jqpdev" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> > news:bnemtg$spc$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > Yes I'm a newb.
> > >
> > > I examined the pop-up menu code that dmx creates to show/hide pop-up

> > menus. Its approx 900 to 1000 lines of horribly spaced javascript code

> the

> > is functional. Why does it take *so* much code just to respond to only

a

> > few events (mouse over, mouse out, onclick)? The file is almost 30K.

> > >
> > > Is there a way to do this via CSS?
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Matthew Carpenter]

OMG

This is fantastic Murray!
[url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]

I have been looking for simple code to use on menus forever and this is
perfect! Simple, light, easy to modify, and to the point.

Thanks!


"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:bneo2o$mr$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Yes. And there are many other ways to do it in HTML that are much more

code

> efficient and much less troublesome. Here are some -
>
> [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]
>
> or
>
> [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]
>
> Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally

trouble

> free -
>
> [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
>
> --
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> "jqpdev" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:bnemtg$spc$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Yes I'm a newb.
> >
> > I examined the pop-up menu code that dmx creates to show/hide pop-up

> menus. Its approx 900 to 1000 lines of horribly spaced javascript code

the

> is functional. Why does it take *so* much code just to respond to only a
> few events (mouse over, mouse out, onclick)? The file is almost 30K.

> >
> > Is there a way to do this via CSS?
> >
> >

>
>

[Matthew Carpenter]

Good question. They have a point about all the messy code. I hate that. Oh
well, we do what we can. This is a great tool to have in the arsenal. Thank
you again Murray.


"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> Matthew:
>
> Very nice, very slick, very slim, and no UI! 8)
>
> Why couldn't MM have done it that way? I dunno....<shrug>
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
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>
> "Matthew Carpenter" <mcarpenter@otbdesign.com> wrote in message
> news:boh4r5$p9h$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > OMG
> >
> > This is fantastic Murray!
> > [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
> >
> > I have been looking for simple code to use on menus forever and this is
> > perfect! Simple, light, easy to modify, and to the point.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> > news:bneo2o$mr$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > Yes. And there are many other ways to do it in HTML that are much

more

> > code

> > > efficient and much less troublesome. Here are some -
> > >
> > > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm[/url]
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > [url]http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/auto_hide/index.htm[/url]
> > >
> > > Here is a method that is more 'hands on' but very slick and equally

> > trouble

> > > free -
> > >
> > > [url]http://www.youngpup.net/?request=/components/ypSlideOutMenus.xml[/url]
> > >
> > > --
> > > Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> > > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> > > (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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> GET

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> > >
> > > "jqpdev" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bnemtg$spc$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> > > > Yes I'm a newb.
> > > >
> > > > I examined the pop-up menu code that dmx creates to show/hide pop-up
> > > menus. Its approx 900 to 1000 lines of horribly spaced javascript

code

> > the

> > > is functional. Why does it take *so* much code just to respond to

only

> a

> > > few events (mouse over, mouse out, onclick)? The file is almost 30K.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to do this via CSS?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>