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The drive came with an Ultra ATA/133 PCI card but I'd rather not install if I don't need it. heron -- Nature, heron stone to be commanded, net must be obeyed. mywebpages.comcast.net/heronstone...

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    Default Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    The drive came with an Ultra ATA/133 PCI card
    but I'd rather not install if I don't need it.

    heron

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     

    It looks like it might. Take a look at this tech note:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86178

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
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    om>,
    NeoLuddite <com> wrote:
     



    that's encouraging
    i guess i'll install one and find out

    thanks

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     

    I have a 250 gigger in my Dual 1 GHz. Works fine.

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    > I have a 250 gigger in my Dual 1 GHz. Works fine.



    tell me more... which drive? which mac?

    I put a maxtor 200gb 7200 ultra ata/133 in the rear
    bay and, although Drive Utility sees the drive, it
    won't do anythhing with it.

    The utility hangs when I try to set up one 189 gb
    partition. I can't even set up two 96 gb partitions,
    which I thought would be no problem.

    Drive Utility hangs at the message "unmounting old
    partitions".

    It looks like I'm gonna hafta buy a PCI card

    heron

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     

    Try it in the front bay instead? My MDD G4 (the OS9 booting model) has a
    ATA-66 and a ATA-100 bus. Drives larger than 120GB will work on the
    ATA-100 bus.
    Pat Guest

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 0:32:56 -0400, heron stone wrote
    (in message
    <comcast.giganews.com>):
     

    Didn't you say the drive came with a PCI card? why don't you try
    installing that.

    What you're describing does not sound like a problem with the system's
    handling of the drive. Do you have access to another Mac like yours so
    that you can try the drive in it?

    A mac like yours should have no problem with an Ultra ATA/133 drive
    installed on the main ATA bus, next to the boot drive. So something
    smells funny there...

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <rogers.nf.net>,
    Pat Janes <arg> wrote:
     
    >
    > Try it in the front bay instead? My MDD G4 (the OS9 booting model) has a
    > ATA-66 and a ATA-100 bus. Drives larger than 120GB will work on the
    > ATA-100 bus.[/ref]

    The Setup Guide for my mac says the rear bus is the ATA/100.


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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     

    I couldn't remember which was 100 and which was 66. Since the drive
    should work on the ATA100 and it didn't on the one you tried I figgered
    there was no harm in trying the other one...
    Pat Guest

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    > > The Setup Guide for my mac says the rear bus is the ATA/100. 

    Yeah, you're right. I should do that just to make sure.

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    > Didn't you say the drive came with a PCI card? why don't you try 

    Yeah, but it will only work in a PC.
    Maxtor tech support told me to get the Sonnet card.
     

    No
     

    The "geniuses" at the Apple store told me it wouldn't work
    without a PCI card.

    I'm confused

    heron

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     
    >
    > Yeah, but it will only work in a PC.
    > Maxtor tech support told me to get the Sonnet card.

    >
    > No

    >
    > The "geniuses" at the Apple store told me it wouldn't work
    > without a PCI card.
    >
    > I'm confused[/ref]

    I don't know if you're having this problem with a PCI disk installed
    inside the Mac or externally via a Firewire connection. The 'FW-800'
    confuses me.

    There are several standards for accessing PCI IDE disks. The first
    standard uses addresses with a maximum size of 137GB. A later standard
    expands this restriction to allow for larger disks. The internal PCI
    adapter probably complies with the earlier standard. The PCI IDE card
    follows the later standard and so allows for accessing larger disks.

    I don't think you'd have the problem with an external Firewire disk.

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    > > > A mac like yours should have no problem with an Ultra ATA/133 drive 
    > >
    > > The "geniuses" at the Apple store told me it wouldn't work
    > > without a PCI card.
    > >
    > > I'm confused[/ref]
    >
    > I don't know if you're having this problem with a PCI disk installed
    > inside the Mac or externally via a Firewire connection. The 'FW-800'
    > confuses me.[/ref]

    I have several big external "firewire" drives (160s and 250s).
    They are no problem

     

    Apple tech note 86178 seems to imply that MDD powermacs and later
    can handle larger than 137 gb drives, but the geniuses at the apple store
    say it can't. So far, the geniuses appear to be right.

    What puzzles me is that two people have replied that they have large
    drives installed in their MDD macs.

    That's why I'm confused.

    heron

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    Default Re: Will my G4 dual 1.25 FW-800 access more than 137GB of a 200 GB internal ATA/133?

    In article
    <comcast.giganews.com>,
    heron stone <net> wrote:
     
    >
    >
    >
    > tell me more... which drive? which mac?[/ref]

    My bad. It is a Western Digital WD25000JB 7200 rpm 8 MB cache. It is on
    the ATA/66 bus in the front bay of my Power Mac G4 (Mirrored Drive
    Doors). That is the OS 9-bootable model. Worked fine from the get go. I
    later partitioned it in two.
     

    Odd. Perhaps it is a bad cable or bad drive, or bad jumpers. If Disk
    Utility tries to unmount partitions, then it is obviously willing to
    work with the drive. Hanging indicates a different problem.

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