Windows & Office For Consumers

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is
marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA
consumers.

The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with
Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant
products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows
Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more
like:

- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and
Windows Calendar
- Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery
- Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker
- Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes,
the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)

So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should
work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need,
not what you DON'T need.

Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to
include:

- Office Word 2007
- Office Excel 2007
- Office PowerPoint 2007
- Office OneNote 2007

Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's
because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows
and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial
solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less
stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes
that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget
about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange
Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal,
etc.

So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you
should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and
Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office
Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail,
contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because
Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together
pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.

If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail
programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list
and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't
scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and
Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination
gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in
place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that
just work, count me out...

I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage
lot. Nothing more...

Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...

--
Nicholas...

"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

[Jane Colman]

You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of
Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

I don't run Outlook at all. I'm testing Office 2007 and I haven't even
bothered with Outlook - the day it comes with in-built newsgroup support,
*that's* when I'll start using it!

--
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--- Original message follows ---
"Jane Colman" <jellybean@xjgarage.org> wrote in message
news:uSinvvYRGHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts
> of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

But whats the point anyway when there is Windows Mail and Outlook Express
already? Buying a PIM just to use it for ng support seems a bit over the
top.
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OF6SjocRGHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>I don't run Outlook at all. I'm testing Office 2007 and I haven't even
>bothered with Outlook - the day it comes with in-built newsgroup support,
>*that's* when I'll start using it!
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
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> not
> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>
>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Jane Colman" <jellybean@xjgarage.org> wrote in message
> news:uSinvvYRGHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

>> You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts
>> of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)
>>

>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Heck, you can buy each Office application as a stand alone product.
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"Jane Colman" <jellybean@xjgarage.org> wrote in message
news:uSinvvYRGHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts
> of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really
:o)

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--- Original message follows ---
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Oz7bIedRGHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> Heck, you can buy each Office application as a stand alone product.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Jane Colman" <jellybean@xjgarage.org> wrote in message
> news:uSinvvYRGHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

>> You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts
>> of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)
>>

>
>

[Tekguru (Daron Brewood)]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really
> :o)

Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
--
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MS-MVP/Mobile Devices

Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
[url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Ahh now that's the thing, I've got an XDA II Pocket PC/Phone and I'm having
a constant battle to work out whether I should install Outlook for
synchronisation purposes... but then again, I've got a backup utility on my
phone provided by O2 which does a similar thing to ActiveSync and Outlook
anyway ;o)

--
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--- Original message follows ---
"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" <tekguru@tekguru.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1fqi8qu3wy2q6.dlg@tekguru.co.uk...

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
>

>> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much
>> really
>> :o)

>
> Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
> --
> Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
> MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
>
> Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
> [url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

[Tekguru (Daron Brewood)]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:37:31 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

> Ahh now that's the thing, I've got an XDA II Pocket PC/Phone and I'm having
> a constant battle to work out whether I should install Outlook for
> synchronisation purposes... but then again, I've got a backup utility on my
> phone provided by O2 which does a similar thing to ActiveSync and Outlook
> anyway ;o)

Actually thinking on it I'm not tied to Outlook now as I don't use Outlook
notes and the Rest of my PIM data is actually safe and sound within
4SmartPhone - which we reviewed here, which may be of interest to you
[url]http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=7726[/url] as I think it would solve
your problem as well.
--
Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
MS-MVP/Mobile Devices

Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
[url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)
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"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" <tekguru@tekguru.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1fqi8qu3wy2q6.dlg@tekguru.co.uk...

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
>

>> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much
>> really
>> :o)

>
> Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
> --
> Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
> MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
>
> Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
> [url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

[Eric]

LMAO!

hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile
Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of no
use.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

> Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
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>
> "Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" <tekguru@tekguru.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1fqi8qu3wy2q6.dlg@tekguru.co.uk...

> > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
> >

> >> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much
> >> really
> >> :o)

> >
> > Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
> > --
> > Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
> > MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
> >
> > Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
> > [url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

>
>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Yes, its limbo, which is a known issue, hopefully it will be working in BETA
2 (April CTP)
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"Eric" <Eric@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:91BB5A5D-1C82-4C49-86B4-B755361BC9FB@microsoft.com...

> LMAO!
>
> hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile
> Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of
> no
> use.
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>

>> Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>
>> "Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" <tekguru@tekguru.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1fqi8qu3wy2q6.dlg@tekguru.co.uk...

>> > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much
>> >> really
>> >> :o)
>> >
>> > Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
>> > --
>> > Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
>> > MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
>> >
>> > Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
>> > [url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

>>
>>
>>

[T]

Outlook is critical to have for a large organization, the one that I a
working at :-)



But I agree, Microsoft is competing with Microsoft, not because they are
trying to give me more choices, but I think just because the developers love
to rewrite everything their way, I guess you got the idea :-)



I would have been wonderful if Outlook just upgrades the existing mail,
calendar, etc; but I guess this may not happen.



Don't also forget that Outlook / SharePoint, competes with Novell, and IBM
Lotus Notes; there are tons of useless tings there for a home user, but very
important for a large business :-)



By the way, I am using outlook in my tablet PC with one note.



<Nicholas> wrote in message news:uQXZDrYRGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is
> marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA
> consumers.
>
> The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with
> Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant
> products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows
> Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more
> like:
>
> - Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and
> Windows Calendar
> - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery
> - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker
> - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes,
> the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
>
> So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should
> work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not
> what you DON'T need.
>
> Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to
> include:
>
> - Office Word 2007
> - Office Excel 2007
> - Office PowerPoint 2007
> - Office OneNote 2007
>
> Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's
> because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and
> Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution.
> Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and
> use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us),
> Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the
> nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting
> Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
>
> So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you
> should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and
> Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office
> Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts,
> and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home
> Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office
> Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
>
> If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs,
> and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday
> dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I
> recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or
> Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than
> enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date.
> But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
>
> I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot.
> Nothing more...
>
> Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
>
> --
> Nicholas...
>
> "Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
>

[Eric]

yeah

but i why did they need to do Windows Mobile evice Manager when Sync Manager
is already there? why reinvent the wheel?

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

> Yes, its limbo, which is a known issue, hopefully it will be working in BETA
> 2 (April CTP)
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> "Eric" <Eric@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:91BB5A5D-1C82-4C49-86B4-B755361BC9FB@microsoft.com...

> > LMAO!
> >
> > hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile
> > Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of
> > no
> > use.
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
> >

> >> Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Andre
> >> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> >> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> >> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> >> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
> >>
> >> "Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" <tekguru@tekguru.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:1fqi8qu3wy2q6.dlg@tekguru.co.uk...
> >> > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much
> >> >> really
> >> >> :o)
> >> >
> >> > Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC.....
> >> > --
> >> > Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
> >> > MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
> >> >
> >> > Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
> >> > [url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

[Tekguru (Daron Brewood)]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:52:10 -0800, Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

> Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)

Which is not implemented yet really :)
--
Tekguru (Daron Brewood)
MS-MVP/Mobile Devices

Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site
[url]http://www.4WinMobile.com[/url]

[Yuhong Bao]

Note that this is for Windows Vista only. For Windows XP you will still need
Outlook since it includes a calendar, which OE don't include.
<Nicholas> wrote in message news:uQXZDrYRGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is
> marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA
> consumers.
>
> The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with
> Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant
> products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows
> Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more
> like:
>
> - Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and
> Windows Calendar
> - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery
> - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker
> - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes,
> the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
>
> So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should
> work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not
> what you DON'T need.
>
> Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to
> include:
>
> - Office Word 2007
> - Office Excel 2007
> - Office PowerPoint 2007
> - Office OneNote 2007
>
> Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's
> because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and
> Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution.
> Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and
> use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us),
> Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the
> nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting
> Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
>
> So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you
> should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and
> Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office
> Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts,
> and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home
> Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office
> Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
>
> If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs,
> and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday
> dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I
> recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or
> Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than
> enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date.
> But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
>
> I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot.
> Nothing more...
>
> Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
>
> --
> Nicholas...
>
> "Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
>

[Yuhong Bao]

Actually, Office Application Recovery duplates a new feature in vista that
will preserve your document when your application crash.

<Nicholas> wrote in message news:uQXZDrYRGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is
> marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA
> consumers.
>
> The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with
> Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant
> products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows
> Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more
> like:
>
> - Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and
> Windows Calendar
> - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery
> - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker
> - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes,
> the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
>
> So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should
> work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not
> what you DON'T need.
>
> Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to
> include:
>
> - Office Word 2007
> - Office Excel 2007
> - Office PowerPoint 2007
> - Office OneNote 2007
>
> Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's
> because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and
> Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution.
> Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and
> use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us),
> Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the
> nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting
> Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
>
> So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you
> should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and
> Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office
> Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts,
> and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home
> Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office
> Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
>
> If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs,
> and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday
> dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I
> recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or
> Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than
> enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date.
> But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
>
> I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot.
> Nothing more...
>
> Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
>
> --
> Nicholas...
>
> "Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
>

[Yuhong Bao]

Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger and added new features, but
however starting at 4.6 it do not duplicates all the features by default. To
get the MSN stuff you need to install an add-in, which was discontinued in
5.0 and Windows XP SP2.

<Nicholas> wrote in message news:uQXZDrYRGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is
> marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA
> consumers.
>
> The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with
> Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant
> products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows
> Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more
> like:
>
> - Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and
> Windows Calendar
> - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery
> - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker
> - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes,
> the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
>
> So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should
> work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not
> what you DON'T need.
>
> Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to
> include:
>
> - Office Word 2007
> - Office Excel 2007
> - Office PowerPoint 2007
> - Office OneNote 2007
>
> Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's
> because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and
> Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution.
> Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and
> use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us),
> Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the
> nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting
> Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
>
> So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you
> should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and
> Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office
> Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts,
> and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home
> Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office
> Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
>
> If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs,
> and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday
> dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I
> recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or
> Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than
> enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date.
> But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
>
> I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot.
> Nothing more...
>
> Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
>
> --
> Nicholas...
>
> "Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
>