Windows Vista Ultimate - No Enterprise

Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
sentence is vague.

Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?

Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.

As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.

Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
trends of Microsoft.

Feel free to share your opinion...

[xfile]

Hi,

I have only one thing to add - it will be very difficult and smart to tell
the difference between "home" and "business" for the following reasons:

(1) Many people are starting out from home-based business, so it is a home
or business?

(2) Many people do work at home for unfinished business works, and it that
sense, they all needed business-related networking and so on functions, so
it is a home or business?

(3) Many business people do wish to have fun once a while on the games and
multimedia things, so is it a home or business?

Personally, I can "understand" why product providers wish to "distinguish"
their products for different segments. On the other hand, one should not do
it in a way for people to think their products differentiations are "stuxxd"
and annoying.

Windows XP is easy to tell the difference although taking off some
networking from home edition is not so smart.

With so many new editions and have not seen any real useful features for
"business" other than security (which is a basic requirement, and now
becomes a "feature") and so-called 64-bit advantage (which only interests
engineers).

The final decision can be very simple - let's skip the confusion and let MS
figure it out first before we migrating to the new OS.
<Nicholas> wrote in message news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
> sentence is vague.
>
> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>
> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>
> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>
> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
> trends of Microsoft.
>
> Feel free to share your opinion...
>
>
>
>
>

[xfile]

I'd like to add something else.

I'm an owner of a small business, and our company uses hosting services and
Windows XP Pro and one Windows 2003 standard.

We are too poor to hire a full-time technical staff so we are either
outsourcing more difficult works (such as web site, e-mail, transactions,
etc.) to hosting service providers or trying to do ourselves.

I travel a lot to Asia and Europe (I'm writing this in Paris now). Before
knowing how to use Remote Desktop, I have to constantly synchronize files
between my primary notebook and the backup desktop at the office and the one
used at home before leaving for a business trip.

Now I know how to use Remote Desktop, so I don't have to synchronize files
that often (other than for backup) but I have to ensure the rest two PCs are
always on during my trip, just in case I need something from any of them.

We have tried to establish VPN connections, but no luck and it's too
difficult for us. Besides, I wish the PCs are on only when I needed it -
that means to use Wake-On-LAN or whatever means to wake it up.

I don't think the above scenario is a "rare" case, but I found no one-step
solution from anywhere. And most cases I studied from the net are failed
cases, except of course, you have enough cash to spend on some "advanced"
systems and OS.

I am totally disappointed about the "features" of the new operating system
and I don't see why can't it address some basic "file sharing" functions
first before getting into fancy UI stuffs.

Other than above mentioned features, I am satisfied with the current XP Pro.

This is the first time that I have absolutely no feelings about the new
release. And people around me all agree with what I have shared.

The sales of the new OS, I guess, will depend on the new systems.

I understand MS is monitoring messages here, so I'd like people from the
company read the above and report back how terrible you have addressed the
real fundamental "business" needs.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23HjdXHEQGHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> Hi,
>
> I have only one thing to add - it will be very difficult and smart to tell
> the difference between "home" and "business" for the following reasons:
>
> (1) Many people are starting out from home-based business, so it is a home
> or business?
>
> (2) Many people do work at home for unfinished business works, and it that
> sense, they all needed business-related networking and so on functions, so
> it is a home or business?
>
> (3) Many business people do wish to have fun once a while on the games and
> multimedia things, so is it a home or business?
>
> Personally, I can "understand" why product providers wish to "distinguish"
> their products for different segments. On the other hand, one should not
> do it in a way for people to think their products differentiations are
> "stuxxd" and annoying.
>
> Windows XP is easy to tell the difference although taking off some
> networking from home edition is not so smart.
>
> With so many new editions and have not seen any real useful features for
> "business" other than security (which is a basic requirement, and now
> becomes a "feature") and so-called 64-bit advantage (which only interests
> engineers).
>
> The final decision can be very simple - let's skip the confusion and let
> MS figure it out first before we migrating to the new OS.
> <Nicholas> wrote in message
> news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
>> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
>> sentence is vague.
>>
>> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>>
>> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
>> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
>> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>>
>> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
>> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>>
>> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
>> trends of Microsoft.
>>
>> Feel free to share your opinion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>

[Mike Williams]

xfile wrote:

> I travel a lot to Asia and Europe (I'm writing this in Paris now). Before
> knowing how to use Remote Desktop, I have to constantly synchronize files
> between my primary notebook and the backup desktop at the office and the one
> used at home before leaving for a business trip.

MUI is something needs to be available for *all* Vista SKUs, and should
surely be possible now that Vista is locale-neutral (ie English has to
be added to the base neutral product). Students, business-people, and
migrants can absolutely use MUI functionality in Windows and Office.

Retail versions of any UI language should be available for anyone,
anywhere in the world. If you've ever moved to a new country or had to
buy/repair a laptop/tablet while travelling O/S on business it's a
nightmare trying to source the correct language SKU for your needs.


Mike
(also in Paris)

[xfile]

Agree 100% and couldn't be more.

Once a while (such as now), I will help relatives and friends here (or other
areas) to maintain their systems (not a technical support job but just a
personal favor), and in too many cases, I have to "guess" what is the UI on
the local system.

In most cases, I could get it right since the arrangements of the options
are similar, and in other cases, I could click the wrong option or had to
ask them to explain to me in great details.

I totally agree multi-language is a basic requirement for modern OS and
business applications (such as Office).

Truly hope the company can focus more on the needs of "real business persons
and organizations" which using its own term - knowledge workers, and less on
"technology advancements".

Technology is worthless if it can't solve basic problems.



"Mike Williams" <mikew@NOTANMVPmvps.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:440AC9D0.5020902@NOTANMVPmvps.org.invalid...

> xfile wrote:
>

>> I travel a lot to Asia and Europe (I'm writing this in Paris now).
>> Before knowing how to use Remote Desktop, I have to constantly
>> synchronize files between my primary notebook and the backup desktop at
>> the office and the one used at home before leaving for a business trip.

>
> MUI is something needs to be available for *all* Vista SKUs, and should
> surely be possible now that Vista is locale-neutral (ie English has to be
> added to the base neutral product). Students, business-people, and
> migrants can absolutely use MUI functionality in Windows and Office.
>
> Retail versions of any UI language should be available for anyone,
> anywhere in the world. If you've ever moved to a new country or had to
> buy/repair a laptop/tablet while travelling O/S on business it's a
> nightmare trying to source the correct language SKU for your needs.
>
>
> Mike
> (also in Paris)

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Windows Vista Ultimate will combine all the features Microsofts Consumer and
Business operatings. In fact Microsoft is toting Windows Vista Ultimate as a
workaround for companies that do not want join Microsofts Enterprise
Agreement or Software Assurance programs to receive the enterprise features.
Windows Vista Ultimate will indeed include Virtual PC Express. Remember,
Vista is devided into two branches:

Consumer
Home Basic
Home Premium

Business
Business
Enterprise

A superset of all of these which you would describe as a no compromise
operating system, Ultimate gives you best of both worlds. The difference in
Enterprise for example though is that in case of features such as Virtual PC
Express, you are allowed under the Enterprise Agreement to run a second
instance of the operating system and additional copy of Virtual PC Express.

But for Ultimate, you have purchase additional licenses.
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<Nicholas> wrote in message news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
> sentence is vague.
>
> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>
> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>
> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>
> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
> trends of Microsoft.
>
> Feel free to share your opinion...
>
>
>
>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

This blog post might interest you:
[url]http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=2649[/url]

Virtual PC Express licensing policies in Windows Vista
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<Nicholas> wrote in message news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
> sentence is vague.
>
> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>
> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>
> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>
> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
> trends of Microsoft.
>
> Feel free to share your opinion...
>
>
>
>
>

[Eric]

And what about MUI?

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

> Windows Vista Ultimate will combine all the features Microsofts Consumer and
> Business operatings. In fact Microsoft is toting Windows Vista Ultimate as a
> workaround for companies that do not want join Microsofts Enterprise
> Agreement or Software Assurance programs to receive the enterprise features.
> Windows Vista Ultimate will indeed include Virtual PC Express. Remember,
> Vista is devided into two branches:
>
> Consumer
> Home Basic
> Home Premium
>
> Business
> Business
> Enterprise
>
> A superset of all of these which you would describe as a no compromise
> operating system, Ultimate gives you best of both worlds. The difference in
> Enterprise for example though is that in case of features such as Virtual PC
> Express, you are allowed under the Enterprise Agreement to run a second
> instance of the operating system and additional copy of Virtual PC Express.
>
> But for Ultimate, you have purchase additional licenses.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> <Nicholas> wrote in message news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> > Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
> > editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
> > sentence is vague.
> >
> > Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
> >
> > Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
> > features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
> > is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
> >
> > As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
> > Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
> >
> > Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
> > trends of Microsoft.
> >
> > Feel free to share your opinion...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

As for as I know, thats a feature specific to Vista Enterprise since its
targetted at Company's with multi-ligual employees, sites that span the
globe (sounds commericial doesn't it?) There will be minor, minuses to
Ultimate of course, things like purchasing additional license compared to
Enterprise editions option to install on a second partition. Its really
confusing right now, lets wait a little more to get some more concrete
information on included features and licensing.
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"Eric" <Eric@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B0B1B6F7-DF74-44A0-A3CC-3E4504802A30@microsoft.com...

> And what about MUI?
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>

>> Windows Vista Ultimate will combine all the features Microsofts Consumer
>> and
>> Business operatings. In fact Microsoft is toting Windows Vista Ultimate
>> as a
>> workaround for companies that do not want join Microsofts Enterprise
>> Agreement or Software Assurance programs to receive the enterprise
>> features.
>> Windows Vista Ultimate will indeed include Virtual PC Express. Remember,
>> Vista is devided into two branches:
>>
>> Consumer
>> Home Basic
>> Home Premium
>>
>> Business
>> Business
>> Enterprise
>>
>> A superset of all of these which you would describe as a no compromise
>> operating system, Ultimate gives you best of both worlds. The difference
>> in
>> Enterprise for example though is that in case of features such as Virtual
>> PC
>> Express, you are allowed under the Enterprise Agreement to run a second
>> instance of the operating system and additional copy of Virtual PC
>> Express.
>>
>> But for Ultimate, you have purchase additional licenses.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>
>> <Nicholas> wrote in message
>> news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> > Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
>> > editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
>> > sentence is vague.
>> >
>> > Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>> >
>> > Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
>> > features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
>> > is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>> >
>> > As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
>> > Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>> >
>> > Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
>> > trends of Microsoft.
>> >
>> > Feel free to share your opinion...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>

[xfile]

Sounds like a well trained sales :)


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23GJx8bHQGHA.4108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> Windows Vista Ultimate will combine all the features Microsofts Consumer
> and Business operatings. In fact Microsoft is toting Windows Vista
> Ultimate as a workaround for companies that do not want join Microsofts
> Enterprise Agreement or Software Assurance programs to receive the
> enterprise features. Windows Vista Ultimate will indeed include Virtual PC
> Express. Remember, Vista is devided into two branches:
>
> Consumer
> Home Basic
> Home Premium
>
> Business
> Business
> Enterprise
>
> A superset of all of these which you would describe as a no compromise
> operating system, Ultimate gives you best of both worlds. The difference
> in Enterprise for example though is that in case of features such as
> Virtual PC Express, you are allowed under the Enterprise Agreement to run
> a second instance of the operating system and additional copy of Virtual
> PC Express.
>
> But for Ultimate, you have purchase additional licenses.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> <Nicholas> wrote in message
> news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
>> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
>> sentence is vague.
>>
>> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>>
>> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
>> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
>> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>>
>> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
>> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>>
>> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
>> trends of Microsoft.
>>
>> Feel free to share your opinion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>

"As for as I know, thats a feature specific to Vista Enterprise since
its targetted at Company's with multi-ligual employees"

Now with MUI out of the equation, I can now concentrate on "being a
consumer", that is, use Windows Mail, Windows Contact, Windows Calendar,
and forget about Office Outlook 2007, which supports MUI. Again I just
wanna say I don't like having 2 Microsoft e-mail programs on 1 computer,
cuz it's a waste of harddisk space (not that I have too little) and can
cause "potential" conflict betweens them and performance degradation.

Now... I'm going to use English Vista Home Basic or Premium, no MUI, no
corporate software, no Vista Business, going to be a good consumer, no
Office Communicator or Windows Messenger (corporate IMs), utilize ALL MS
consumer stuff...

Ahh! Now I feel more Live! Being light is nice...

Thanks for the info!

--
Nicholas...

"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23m30$5IQGHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> This blog post might interest you:
> [url]http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=2649[/url]
>
> Virtual PC Express licensing policies in Windows Vista
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> <Nicholas> wrote in message
> news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
>> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
>> sentence is vague.
>>
>> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>>
>> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
>> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
>> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business
>> Enterprise.
>>
>> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
>> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>>
>> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
>> trends of Microsoft.
>>
>> Feel free to share your opinion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Your welcome :)
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<Nicholas> wrote in message news:uyuZrApQGHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for the info!
>
> --
> Nicholas...
>
> "Overclock Your Life, Then The World"
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23m30$5IQGHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

>> This blog post might interest you:
>> [url]http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=2649[/url]
>>
>> Virtual PC Express licensing policies in Windows Vista
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>
>> <Nicholas> wrote in message
>> news:%23NIcRMCQGHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>>> Despite Windows Vista Ultimate claims to combine home and business
>>> editions of the operating system, you should take note that that
>>> sentence is vague.
>>>
>>> Business what? Business or Business Enterprise?
>>>
>>> Since Business Enterprise is a volume-license exclusive product. Its
>>> features are most likely not included in Windows Vista Ultimate. That
>>> is, only the Business edition is included and not Business Enterprise.
>>>
>>> As a result, Windows Vista Ultimate will not include things like MUI,
>>> Virtual PC Express, and other corporate features.
>>>
>>> Note that this is speculation but this seems likely, based on past
>>> trends of Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Feel free to share your opinion...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Sounds like a rant :-s
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<Nicholas> wrote in message news:efkiYApQGHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> "As for as I know, thats a feature specific to Vista Enterprise since its
> targetted at Company's with multi-ligual employees"
>
> Now with MUI out of the equation, I can now concentrate on "being a
> consumer", that is, use Windows Mail, Windows Contact, Windows Calendar,
> and forget about Office Outlook 2007, which supports MUI. Again I just
> wanna say I don't like having 2 Microsoft e-mail programs on 1 computer,
> cuz it's a waste of harddisk space (not that I have too little) and can
> cause "potential" conflict betweens them and performance degradation.
>
> Now... I'm going to use English Vista Home Basic or Premium, no MUI, no
> corporate software, no Vista Business, going to be a good consumer, no
> Office Communicator or Windows Messenger (corporate IMs), utilize ALL MS
> consumer stuff...
>
> Ahh! Now I feel more Live! Being light is nice...
>